Experienced insulin users

[AbstractMind]

I am looking for experienced insulin users to chime in and let me know - is the hype surrounding insulin (when combined with rHGH) all it’s cracked up to be when used in a growth phase? I’d like to know where you were at before your slin use, and where you ended up after in terms of physique (feel free to post pics!), strength, overall muscle development, and weight.

I’ve done hours of research on why it’s implemented, so I’m not looking to make this thread about the science, but moreso the personal results and experiences from you all

This is the one compound I have never dabbled in but I recently hired a very popular coach who is known for his moderate anabolic protocols but higher end GH/slin protocols.

Thanks again guys

 

[GuerillaPete]

My experience is limited but all i got from it (5-6 iu couple times a day pwo and following meals )
I looked bigger , fuller but it lost its effectiveness around 3-4 weeks if used daily .
I would say its not worth it only at the highest levels where every little thing matters .
Once i got off all the “gains “ went away .

 

[Juicyca]

All my experiences are without the use of gh so far but what I can tell is that you become fuller and stronger QUICK.
You literally regenerate in between sets.
When I could do 1 set of 12 reps for example and do another of 9 with 1 minute rest, on slin PREwo that would come out to a set of 16, followed by another set of 16 with 30 second rest.

Shit is crazy, crazy fun and you kinda get addicted to it.
Its a great enhancer of any AAS and I would imagine only gets so much better with alot of gh.
Only downside is you get fat faster, though I doubt that would be the case when on gh.

 

[lilhawk]

Used it many times with GH. Very easy to get big, and if you're not careful bloated and watery with slin. Highest I went was 10iu of humalog post workout, used it pre workout as well, but I didn't like it, as I like to only drink water during workouts. The intra workout carb drinks upset my stomach terribly. Highest my weight got was 270, I'm 5'8. It works much better if you're lean to begin with. I carb cycle now and only use slin on high carb day post workout, which is only once, maybe twice per week. It works very well this way, and is the only way I would use it again.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

Yes it's worth the hype. I'd take as much GH as I could handle, but it's probably too dangerous to go straight to a high dose unless you've already ran mid-range dosages with no problems. The carpal tunnel just broke me off on 13iu. It took 3 weeks to be able to sleep more than 1 or 2 hours per night after my last pin. It was miserable. The shit is so crazy that I gained 22lbs in 5 weeks and had new veins popping out everywhere. I know it was all water but in my opinion high dose gh and a bunch of slin > test, tren, drol

I'll be running them altogether in a couple of months but I'm just gonna go mid-range GH, I can't tolerate big GH, not even close.

 

[aufzz]

1 guy saying not "that" worth, 2 guys saying totally worth it - looking forward for more opinions, im really interrested in this too

 

[Deadp007]

1 guy saying not "that" worth, 2 guys saying totally worth it - looking forward for more opinions, im really interrested in this too

Yes and 1 said you lose all the gains when you come off... is that universal, surely there must be some % a lifter would keep. Would like to hear more personal experience & hopefully 1st guy was just an outlier and not the norm.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Yes and no. It’s a great next step/tool but it isn’t working magic IMO and any of the immediate size you see guys tack on falls off very quickly. Usually from larger doses in short runs. It can however, when done right, help pack on quality weight and IMO moderate use of AAS, GH, and slin is likely the healthiest way forward for serious size.

Obviously the benefit of GH/slin and the IGF response is what we’re after, but I think slin itself is largely misused and it’s greatest benefit overlooked: helping drive more food and keeping your pancreas from hating you when carbs are high.

Been doing this for a bit and only just now in this next blast going to crack into the 6iu range for GH. Slin will be a varying periods of a combo of lantus and log to avoid any sensitivity issues but my doses tend to be like half of what’s commonly discussed (I think lantus is a fantastic tool if you can manage the possible downsides of sensitivity over time). Now that slin use is proliferating I think we’re going to see the negatives of hyperinsulinemia in guys that hammer multiple doses of faster acting slin. We’ll see.

I know there’s a big fuss about what GH protocol to use and my opinion is simple: experiment. I’ve done fasted only, pre only, pre and post, and fasted and pre (where I am now). Slin should follow.

I prefer pre workout GH with slin and drinking carbs during my workout. You heard @lilhawk mention not liking it Pre and that’s very common. Some guys find trouble with heart rate, sluggishness, and the need to keep carbs coming thru the workout. Start slow, experiment, and keep track of your sensitivity metrics.

You and I have talked so this post is more for the group lol. Follow your coach’s plan but monitor your health like it’s your body at stake, because it always is, no matter who the coach is.

 

[M@NU]

in the past, ive tried various different approach.
the typical bolus pre workout one with intra carbs etc. The typical bolus post workout one before a shake etc.
nowadays, i cycle my training doing phases where i more or less "cruise" and phases where i "blast" my training.
blasting is usually Tuesday/Wednes twice a day, thursday once, friday-sunday twice (weights) around 50-60min but pretty intense. this "blasting" phase is usually 4-6 weeks long.
What ive found is doing a very small amount of slin with my meals helps me immensly recovering during this "blasting" period. I usually do 2-3 iu 3-4 times a day with meals. Training performance is up, recovery time is down. no bloat or fat gain

 

[Mads]

To the ones saying you build a fast tolerance to slin; does that also count for gh slin combo with increased igf1?
Id love to be able to run low dose slin gh for as long as possible

 

[GuerillaPete]

To the ones saying you build a fast tolerance to slin; does that also count for gh slin combo with increased igf1?
Id love to be able to run low dose slin gh for as long as possible

I dont know how it works i used insulin twice both times with GH.
I would monitor BG and after a 3-4 weeks BG would not go down even on raised dosages.
I would think the slin has gone bad as i used low dosages a pen would last long time.
Then i heard a bodybuilding guru speak on this occurrence on a podcast , and he noticed the same thing .
I know diabetics use it forever so i don't know exactly the science behind it.

 

[Megadick3000]

Im pretty exoerienced with slin

Pros:
- cheap
- easy to get if your in Canada (no RX needed, just buy from pharmacy)
- more strength
- better pumps
- adds size but its glycogen gainz, temporary

Cons:
- most the suze is temporary glycogen gainz
- injections sting
- gives me headaches fairly often
- death if your stupid

Is it worth it? I guess it depends on the person. I hav3nt used it in years.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

To the ones saying you build a fast tolerance to slin; does that also count for gh slin combo with increased igf1?
Id love to be able to run low dose slin gh for as long as possible

It's hard to find info on this stuff. All I can tell you is what I just did and what happened. I tried eod 12iu gh with various amounts of slin preworkout, while also being on a decent amount of long acting GH that I figure, in total with the regular gh, to average about 13iu per day. I did it for 5 weeks, I lost my mind at the beginning and I was eating as much fast food and ice cream as I could stuff into me some days because I was so hungry and sometimes taking an extra massive shot of slin with a barrel of ice cream or an entire rich cake and taking a nap (the plan was always to workout on it but I'd be so stuffed that I was worried about getting a hernia and taking a nap seemed like a good idea the few times that I did this

My BG is normal, I never really noticed that it was out of whack. I'd try 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, if everything is normal just keep adding 4 weeks to the slin/gh time, so next time 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. I would just start at 8 weeks on and see what happens

 

[ForeverSmall]

Anyone ever use humalog pre-workout in the morning?

I like fats in my first meal but I've been training in the mornings and want to try a little humalog with my next blast.

 

[Jaxino]

I have used insulin in lots of different ways and the best for me was this.

-5iu Fast Acting like Humalog with your postwo meal, with more than that meal it was just fake fullness
-10-25iu Lantus before bed (yes, like type two diabetics, just check the website)
-5-10iu HGH after workout
-500 Berberine First thing am and before bed.
(-50-100mg Anadrols before bed also made everything working better even more)


This protocol gave me the recovery and the best glucose readings ever.

Yes the dose is low, but i think that a low dose insulin like 1/3 of your bw in kg, goes a long way. If you want to use more you need to include an hefty dose of Trenbolone which usually wrecks your gains completely.

 

[Demondosage]

Without using it with HGH it’s overhyped and will do nothing but pack on fluid and fat. Also, the body is only going to do so much in terms of “nutrient transport”, without the inclusion of HGH for enhanced IGF-1 production you are wasting your time

 

[Jaxino]

I have used insulin in lots of different ways and the best for me was this.

-5iu Fast Acting like Humalog with your postwo meal, with more than that meal it was just fake fullness
-10-25iu Lantus before bed (yes, like type two diabetics, just check the website)
-5-10iu HGH after workout
-500 Berberine First thing am and before bed.
(-50-100mg Anadrols before bed also made everything working better even more)


This protocol gave me the recovery and the best glucose readings ever.

Yes the dose is low, but i think that a low dose insulin like 1/3 of your bw in kg, goes a long way. If you want to use more you need to include an hefty dose of Trenbolone which usually wrecks your gains completely.

I didn't mention Metformin.

Imho 500-1g Metformin first thing am should be added BUT with a big BUT.

I did a lot of research about Metformin and it comes with a big BUT.

Metformin used long term causes acid reflux, mitochondria toxicity, vit B deficiency etc etc.
I am oversimplifying here so take it with a grain of salt.

To fix all the issues you need to take also:
-have an alkaline diet, which means that every meal should have some veggies or fruit (magnesium, potassium etc) to reduce acidic load.
-1-5g baking soda, lemon and water every morning as soon as you wake up, a bit far away from breakfast.
-200mg CoQ10 or 1g NADH (which is very expensive but also very good for out body) or 10-20mg GW50516. Imho NADH is the best supplement but expensive.
-high dosed Vit B complex because Metformin reduces the absorption of it.

 

[Mads]

I have used insulin in lots of different ways and the best for me was this.

-5iu Fast Acting like Humalog with your postwo meal, with more than that meal it was just fake fullness
-10-25iu Lantus before bed (yes, like type two diabetics, just check the website)
-5-10iu HGH after workout
-500 Berberine First thing am and before bed.
(-50-100mg Anadrols before bed also made everything working better even more)


This protocol gave me the recovery and the best glucose readings ever.

Yes the dose is low, but i think that a low dose insulin like 1/3 of your bw in kg, goes a long way. If you want to use more you need to include an hefty dose of Trenbolone which usually wrecks your gains completely.

Do you take 1 month on 1 off or stay on continously?

 

[g-protein]

I have used insulin in lots of different ways and the best for me was this.

-5iu Fast Acting like Humalog with your postwo meal, with more than that meal it was just fake fullness
-10-25iu Lantus before bed (yes, like type two diabetics, just check the website)
-5-10iu HGH after workout
-500 Berberine First thing am and before bed.
(-50-100mg Anadrols before bed also made everything working better even more)


This protocol gave me the recovery and the best glucose readings ever.

Yes the dose is low, but i think that a low dose insulin like 1/3 of your bw in kg, goes a long way. If you want to use more you need to include an hefty dose of Trenbolone which usually wrecks your gains completely.

How's your blood glucose without the lantus? Noticeable difference I assume?

 

[Jaxino]

Do you take 1 month on 1 off or stay on continously?

Nope never

How's your blood glucose without the lantus? Noticeable difference I assume?

Ofc there's a difference but depends how many carbs you are eating...