Exposing Raw Hormone Suppliers

[d-red]

So I have been thinking and this hasn't been done anywhere else. As we know Raw suppliers out of China are known for selling low quality/bunk raws. I will be doing testing on a few suppliers that I have never used to see who is who. I think suppliers on this forum who have a negative test result should expose their source, this way we get to the root of the problem.

Will this change the game? No, but it will have a major impact when a google search for a supplier to see if they are legit proves they are not. This is another step at exposing and weeding out the BS suppliers and hopefully putting the pressure on the underground. Just my opinion but I think it is a good one.

oh gawd..now you gonna be everyones savior? didnt you have a negative test result on here? mast prop or something like that? expose your source then.

 

[DeVille Papo]

I would like to see some of the raw material production move to India. F*ck China!

hell yes!

 

[flenser]

oh gawd..now you gonna be everyones savior? didnt you have a negative test result on here? mast prop or something like that? expose your source then.

Er, it was his mast e that failed, not mast p. And here's where he exposed his source...

FACT:
BRUCE GROUP MAST E BUNK (Buyers Beware!)
Old lab max proves this.

I may have another one here real soon.

 

[TheSpectre]

India labor is more costly than China, but still reasonable. India is a democracy and quite friendly to Western Democracies.

I firmly believe Indian culture has higher ethical and safety standards than China - by
a mile! We'd pay more but get ripped off less IMO.

If China ever tries to collect too much debt I say F-You and build factories in India. China would collapse quickly without US importing so much.

 

[TheSpectre]

Some vets elsewhere believe Bruce Group is Mao renamed...

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Er, it was his mast e that failed, not mast p. And here's where he exposed his source...

Yea, Astro deserves some credit for that..

BUT I wish he would've exposed him a LONG time ago when this all happened..

Better late than never I suppose..

 

[Colt44]

Exposing the raw source is great and it's awesome what you're doing Astro. On top of that there needs to be more of an emphasis on testing finished products by way of MS. 90% pure powder cut in half with who knows what, does most of us that aren't brewing no good. I really do like that you're exposing them though. [emoji106]

 

[flenser]

Yea, Astro deserves some credit for that..

BUT I wish he would've exposed him a LONG time ago when this all happened..

Better late than never I suppose..

It hasn't been done by any source that I know of until now. Astro deserves planty of credit for being first, but this is being driven by end user testing. It's not just embarrassing, but bad for business when your customer tells you and your other customers you let your supplier rip you off.

Personally, I want to know where Ricky got that fake test prop that almost neutered half his customers.

 

[Kubrick]

oh gawd..now you gonna be everyones savior? didnt you have a negative test result on here? mast prop or something like that? expose your source then.

Read much? Haha. THIS is where he exposed the source for the bad Mast E. It was Bruce Group. I like when people make themselves look stupid while trying to shit on someone else. Nicely done.

 

[showstoppa]

Bruce group is not mao, bruce has been around since like 05.

I dont know if anybody uses them but leo@

www.xjpharm.com

used to be great
That was the big dog before ord and he came back after and is still supplying some older labs.

 

[d-red]

Read much? Haha. THIS is where he exposed the source for the bad Mast E. It was Bruce Group. I like when people make themselves look stupid while trying to shit on someone else. Nicely done.

Shut up fuck face and get back to licking Astro's balls

 

[fastasf]

Yea, Astro deserves some credit for that..

BUT I wish he would've exposed him a LONG time ago when this all happened..

Better late than never I suppose..

I thought it was pretty common knowledge from the start that astro was being supplied by Bruce group. Very cool of him to call out his supplier though. Hopefully it causes some changes. And as flenser posted, I would like to know where Ricky's prop came from also.

 

[beedix]

What good would testing third tier distributors like Bruce raws do?

Bruce raws buys from a distro that buys from one of several labs in china...they can switch at anytime. They may even be fourth tier (two distros in between the true source)

IMO, you would be better off tracing distros back to the actual source/lab. The money to order from many distros and identify the source address costs less than testing. Hint hint.

 

[Nitrust]

I think any and all suppliers/sources that have bunk shit should always be exposed. Fuck that they are ripping people off. Not cool

 

[showstoppa]

I am glad this thread started but I Will say that mast e is a problem for most raw sources.

This thread is a perfect example of why any ugl should be doing a mass spec on every batch of powder they receive. I do not understand how its acceptable to nut do one and now that myth is doing them there really is no excuse.

 

[Astro Labs]

Inhave 2 samples of Mast fromntwondifferent suppliers going for mass spec. Inhopentonhave results in Two weeks. No Mast E in stock until in get these results sucks to always have to test and test and.......Hopefully I found what I'm looking for.

I am glad this thread started but I Will say that mast e is a problem for most raw sources.

This thread is a perfect example of why any ugl should be doing a mass spec on every batch of powder they receive. I do not understand how its acceptable to nut do one and now that myth is doing them there really is no excuse.

 

[Astro Labs]

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What good would testing third tier distributors like Bruce raws do?

Bruce raws buys from a distro that buys from one of several labs in china...they can switch at anytime. They may even be fourth tier (two distros in between the true source)

IMO, you would be better off tracing distros back to the actual source/lab. The money to order from many distros and identify the source address costs less than testing. Hint hint.

These are the guys supplying the underground for the most part. The odds anyone is doing buisness directly with a GMP Facility is slim to none. These Manufacturers don't want to do direct buisness with the US clients especially without a license. They wont even answer your mail.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

As a community this needs to take place. I don't have the time myself to test everyone. Once I lock a good supplier in I have no need. If a test is a fail if the source is legit he will expose the supplier.

FACT:
BRUCE GROUP MAST E BUNK (Buyers Beware!)
Old lab max proves this.

I may have another one here real soon.

bruce group is an old raw supplier. I cant remember what his old name used to be. He is over at ProMuscle now..

 

[showstoppa]

Yea IM27 he has been around almost as long as me and I have been on here since 01 or 02. I believe he came on around 04 or so.

 

[showstoppa]

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These are the guys supplying the underground for the most part. The odds anyone is doing buisness directly with a GMP Facility is slim to none. These Manufacturers don't want to do direct buisness with the US clients especially without a license. They wont even answer your mail.

There are suppliers that are actual factories but they are private for the most part and only work with old timers.

Inhave 2 samples of Mast fromntwondifferent suppliers going for mass spec. Inhopentonhave results in Two weeks. No Mast E in stock until in get these results sucks to always have to test and test and.......Hopefully I found what I'm looking for.

I'm glad your having this one tested but I am going to call you out a little here. You are making an absolute as ton of money from the members here, why can't you have every batch tested and post the results of every batch, both the raw powder the batch is made from and the actual finished product? Its not that much money, $200 per batch per compound. If you are buying a kilo at a time on most powders you are essentially sacrificing the profit from four or five bottles depending on the compound. Imo its unacceptable that you have zero clue the purity of your powders or the strength of your products now that a member here can do it for only $100 a pop. Sorry that I am putting you on the spot but it is what it is.