ExpressPCT Busted

[MFAAS]

IMO The reason this shouldn't be downplayed is because they went after then at all.

Im dropping into this convo halfway through. But I don't think janoshik is saying they busted them THEN acquired the info. It seems like one of the guys made himself an easy target by flashing his money around and they investigated. They probably had this sit on their radar for some time anyway; they likely have a file for every steroid vendor out there just sitting around, pretty much empty. Then when a lead pops up BOOM they try to pounce. Assign resources to a case. Dig up info wherever possible. Find people who drive BMWs on a McDonalds income or filed taxes claiming no income or something dumb. Idk how it would work exactly. All I know is that as a customer I like to support the vendors that support opsec options, like PGP, more secure crypto coins, etc. I really wish all the vendors would just make some ofnthe easy stuff like PGP and using XMR mandatory...although its possible the government or some company has a way to track XMR TXs, idk.

Anyway, $12 million is some BS but I am sure these guys made quite a lot. I mean there were the "go to" for the community for quite a long time...

 

[B Ware]

1) Discord doesn't delete anything. Ever.
2) Do you really believe they got busted and the case report is out right away?
Like they would publish that info for potential co-conspirators to read without securing all the evidence available first.

You could get busted in 2040 and somebody finds Discord on your phone and then all it takes is to ask Discord what nasty stuff you've been PMing about and they have that data within an hour of the bust.

Hell, carriers have to save data about your location for years. So you go poo with your phone in your hand now, Feds will be able to tell in 2040 whether you ought to have eaten more fiber for today's breakfast should they have sudden interest in you.

I know discord doesn’t delete anything. If it’s posted on discord it’s stored forever whether the server exist or not. You said they collected all this data after they were busted. They were literally busted within a day or two of this record being made public I believe. How would LE bust him and even know to contact discord? Do you think discord immediately sent them everything they had and then they were able to add it to this case report within a matter of a day or two? It’s not plausible. Things don’t move like that here. I highly doubt discord could have even provided them with those details within the time frame.

2) Do you really believe they got busted and the case report is out right away?

Isn’t that what we’re seeing?

If you know more than please share as this information is very informative. I was never a customer and didn’t really follow Express but from what I gathered they were operating as normal last week and were just busted and the case report followed immediately after

 

[janoshik]

They were literally busted within a day or two of this record being made public I believe.

they were operating as normal last week and were just busted and the case report followed immediately after

Well, tl;dr of their thread is that there was something unspecified and very disruptive happening a few months ago that caused them to decide to close the store up. Ignore that later they chose not to, apparently.

Going only off publicly available info, what would your best guess be that might cause people to decide on sudden closure of a very successful venture at the top of their game?

 

[B Ware]

Well, tl;dr of their thread is that there was something unspecified and very disruptive happening a few months ago that caused them to decide to close the store up. Ignore that later they chose not to, apparently.

Going only off publicly available info, what would your best guess be that might cause people to decide on sudden closure of a very successful venture at the top of their game?

Word is, they closed due to one or more of them wanting out. It’s said one got out and walked away due to starting a family. He’s one of the main two being charged now. This is all hearsay but it’s what was being said months ago why they were closing. Is it true, who knows. If so it sucks for the guy who thought he had walked away.

 

[hijoshiki]

In the grand scheme of things what did these guys do. Sure we all read the case report, but also know LE and Prosecutors are full of shit.

So they imported ancillary drugs that we all use, stuff that isn't controlled and stuff you could get generic in the states for cheap.

Which is worse. A carton of cigarettes or some Indian Pharma. McDonalds or Cheap pills from India. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my chances with Cheap Indian pills than McDonalds because I know that shit will kill you.

 

[janoshik]

Word is, they closed due to one or more of them wanting out. It’s said one got out and walked away due to starting a family. He’s one of the main two being charged now. This is all hearsay but it’s what was being said months ago why they were closing. Is it true, who knows. If so it sucks for the guy who thought he had walked away.

I don't know either, well.

 

[B Ware]

Which is worse. A carton of cigarettes or some Indian Pharma. McDonalds or Cheap pills from India. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take my chances with Cheap Indian pills than McDonalds because I know that shit will kill you.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or what but you’ve been shit posting for a minute now. You should probably sit this one out.

 

[hijoshiki]

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I can’t tell if you’re trolling or what but you’ve been shit posting for a minute now. You should probably sit this one out.

You don't think cigs are more harmful than some ancillaries from India?

When more people were smoking they killed 450,000 every year, COPD is a devastating disease.

 

[B Ware]

You don't think cigs are more harmful than some ancillaries from India?

When more people were smoking they killed 450,000 every year, COPD is a devastating disease.

Absolutely, no doubt. Cigarettes are bad, mmmkkk. Did you add anything of relevance to this thread? Everyone of your post here have down played this and stated things like cigarette and McDonald’s are bad and LE and prosecutors are full of shit. Great, you voiced you’re opinion on a few things of no relevance here.

These guys broke laws and are facing harsh penalties for it. Spin it however you want but most are interested in learning more about this case rather than reading some grumpy dudes opinions on matters unrelated.

 

[hijoshiki]

Absolutely, no doubt. Cigarettes are bad, mmmkkk. Did you add anything of relevance to this thread? Everyone of your post here have down played this and stated things like cigarette and McDonald’s are bad and LE and prosecutors are full of shit. Great, you voiced you’re opinion on a few things of no relevance here.

These guys broke laws and are facing harsh penalties for it. Spin it however you want but most are interested in learning more about this case rather than reading some grumpy dudes opinions on matters unrelated.

What info are you looking for in this case.

Does anyone have a direct line to anyone connected to this case for inside info.

Tons of us ordered from these guys, but I did add that every one of my packs came from India and that everyone of my packs from this source were opened and inspected and had inspection tape from what I assume was the FDA, some with as much as 3000+ pills and they still arrived. That was when trump was in office.

For the record I don't order like this anymore. I have called it quits on a life of crime and doing anything my government disapproves.

 

[Millard]

2) Do you really believe they got busted and the case report is out right away?

Isn’t that what we’re seeing?

But I don't think janoshik is saying they busted them THEN acquired the info.

I think there is some semantics confusion here.

@B Ware is assuming busted=arrested

But @janoshik isn't saying this. He's saying busted to refer to the point at which the feds knew what they were up to I think.

This could have been 6 months ago, 12 months ago, who knows?

The feds then probably spent months building a case. It seems like it could have involved quite a bit of surveillance and certainly a lot of manhours investigating financial crimes / blockchain analysis. After that, they were indicted, arrested, etc.

Just a few things I want to throw out...

This wasn't a "case report". This was an a grand jury indictment not merely a complaint or other charging document.

There were 5 unindicted co-conspirators. What are the reasons they weren't indicted? Can you read anything into this?

Most people grossly underestimate the volume of business conducted

The $12 million number? The feds claim it is "traceable to the offense".

Along these lines, prosecutors suggest that all customer funds were ultimately routed through one of the main co-conspirator's cryptocurrency exchange accounts at Gemini and Coinbase.

Also, PayAnyWayExchange.com surely had a trove of financial data on cash flow. This website/business was also shut down / seized. No mention of who owned it but aforementioned co-conspirator's name was linked to it.

The feds are very competent at blockchain analysis and crypto and it's game over for anyone who uses coinbase, gemini, or any other regulated crypto exchange to cash out and/or payout suppliers/employees.

 

[janoshik]

I think there is some semantics confusion here.

@B Ware is assuming busted=arrested

But @janoshik isn't saying this. He's saying busted to refer to the point at which the feds knew what they were up to I think.

This could have been 6 months ago, 12 months ago, who knows?

The feds then probably spent months building a case. It seems like it could have involved quite a bit of surveillance and certainly a lot of manhours investigating financial crimes / blockchain analysis. After that, they were indicted, arrested, etc.

Just a few things I want to throw out...

This wasn't a "case report". This was an a grand jury indictment not merely a complaint or other charging document.

There were 5 unindicted co-conspirators. What are the reasons they weren't indicted? Can you read anything into this?

Most people grossly underestimate the volume of business conducted

The $12 million number? The feds claim it is "traceable to the offense".

Along these lines, prosecutors suggest that all customer funds were ultimately routed through one of the main co-conspirator's cryptocurrency exchange accounts at Gemini and Coinbase.

Also, PayAnyWayExchange.com surely had a trove of financial data on cash flow. This website/business was also shut down / seized. No mention of who owned it but aforementioned co-conspirator's name was linked to it.

The feds are very competent at blockchain analysis and crypto and it's game over for anyone who uses coinbase, gemini, or any other regulated crypto exchange to cash out and/or payout suppliers/employees.

Correct, thank you for clearing that up.

 

[MFAAS]

The $12 million number? The feds claim it is "traceable to the offense".

Who knows, of they never rotated wallets or performed any complex laundering processes to confused thingd then the feds could trace the transactions back for years and years. It's all right there on the blockchain. Even if they did rotate wallets and such, I'd guess the feds could figure it out pretty easily. If they were ae to catch thay couple and figure out their complex laundering process then I'm sure they could figure out whatever these guys did (if anything).

 

[hijoshiki]

Just for educational purposes how would a person launder their money in this case.

Would you send it overseas to a country that America has no jurisdiction with an inside man that takes his cut and you yours.

Moving money from one bank to another in an endless international loop that makes it hard to trace.

Do you have a domestic crew that perhaps helps funnel transactions to random people and they take a cut?

It would seem to me money laundering is an area that is tough without some help.

 

[janoshik]

Just for educational purposes how would a person launder their money in this case.

Would you send it overseas to a country that America has no jurisdiction with an inside man that takes his cut and you yours.

Moving money from one bank to another in an endless international loop that makes it hard to trace.

Do you have a domestic crew that perhaps helps funnel transactions to random people and they take a cut?

It would seem to me money laundering is an area that is tough without some help.

Claim you have a flourishing G4P business online and all those Bitcoins are the donations you've received. Then proceed to provide a demo show to IRS, so it's more believable.

 

[hijoshiki]

Claim you have a flourishing G4P business online and all those Bitcoins are the donations you've received. Then proceed to provide a demo show to IRS, so it's more believable.

Wouldn't you expect them to trace the donations to some legitimate donors. Or would you get some help from people to make donations appear legit?

They say artwork or really expensive collectibles like comic books that allow you to move one package and claim you made $500,000. You could take a shitty piece of art say from Hunter Biden and move it around a bunch of places to keep the money flowing. Just recycle the item over and over in an endless loop until you get all your money out of your wallets.

 

[Villain]

Just for educational purposes how would a person launder their money in this case.

Would you send it overseas to a country that America has no jurisdiction with an inside man that takes his cut and you yours.

Moving money from one bank to another in an endless international loop that makes it hard to trace.

Do you have a domestic crew that perhaps helps funnel transactions to random people and they take a cut?

It would seem to me money laundering is an area that is tough without some help.

I’ve noticed several domestic sources had Chinese contacts to send the money to in China, so I presume that’s one way of doing it, so long as China continues to give the middle finger to the US.

 

[hijoshiki]

I’ve noticed several domestic sources had Chinese contacts to send the money to in China, so I presume that’s one way of doing it, so long as China continues to give the middle finger to the US.

How do you cash out in America without attracting attention.

We've all seen Scarface when the bank was laundering money for a percentage of the take. We all know the banks in the states make huge profits from the illegal drug business.

So if you have enough money do you just walk into the bank and say "hey you want to make lots of money, I'll give you 40% if you cash this out without reporting it".

 

[Villain]

How do you cash out in America without attracting attention.

We've all seen Scarface when the bank was laundering money for a percentage of the take. We all know the banks in the states make huge profits from the illegal drug business.

So if you have enough money do you just walk into the bank and say "hey you want to make lots of money, I'll give you 40% if you cash this out without reporting it".

Not sure if people still offer their services, but apparently there are people that have enough cash to exchange for your BTC… at a cost, of course. The other way used to be cashing out at BTC ATM’s with a fake ID but I believe that has changed as well.

 

[B Ware]

How do you cash out in America without attracting attention.

Just for educational purposes how would a person launder their money in this case.

I doubt anyone will tell you how they are doing this in the public eye. You are asking a lot of loaded questions, officer.