MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Extreme lethargy 6 weeks into cycle
- Thread starter Juicedhead
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effswithtren
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It’s a 19NOR but afaik it makes titties through methylestrogen. The problem is that methylestrogen responds like ass to AI’s, so it’s a pain in the ass to modulate through traditional means. I hear a lot of people running high dose letro ED.
Now I should say I’ve never used MENT so this is just what I read. Usually people get titties from combining high test/ment as it seems to cause a 1+1=3 effect on titty growth. The second thing is this seems to be pretty individual in terms of estrogen/methylestrogen response. I do wonder how much of that is having a poor feel for symptoms though, as I’m not sure the estrogen ment converts to can be read on most blood assays.
TLDR, personally, I’d lower the shit out of your test dose and let ment do the heavy lifting. If you did that I’d either pick one or the other and do TRT test + higher MENT dose, or high test dose and no ment dose. But that’s just me. Lots of people run ment solo since it’s supposed to be a decent replacement for test.
But I’ve never ran ment so take everything above with a big grain of salt.
effswithtren
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I agree. This whole AAS game is subject to the law of diminishing returns. You get less and less benefit per added mg. OP is way off to the right on the graph of diminishing returns. To a point, you can only add so much muscle per day. If I could get ripped as shit in a week I’d just megadose every AAS under the sun and inject oil anywhere it’d fit, but that’s not really how this works. Mostly what OP is doing is adding a shit ton of sides and negative health markers. I’d lower the shit out of shit and run it longer. OP will get largely similar results and have an appreciably less shitty cycle.
Juicedhead
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last time I used ment I got up to 450mg weekly with 1 gram test and didn’t notice any estrogen bullshit like gyno or anything I was using 1mg arimidex eod. I also don’t convert much so I do think it’s person to person. I’m thinking drop the test to 500 up the ment to 300mg and keep the primo at 600. I should feel great on that and gains will be great. Anytime I go over 1 gram total gear my gains are always good no matter what the drugs. It just depends on how I feel like obviously tren fucks me up.
Juicedhead
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Yea true. Once I get up to a gram I simply can’t grow any faster or get leaner any faster. I’m addicted to steroids bro I fucking have thousands of dollars of gear just sock piled away I hoard gear I have every compound on hand lol it’s just more of a mental thing then anything. But I agree I say after u go over a gram total u aren’t going to see much more gains.
Juicedhead
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Yea I’m going back to the drawing board here. I usually don’t fuck with orals anyway. Oh well live and learn. I’m going back to the cycle I used last time and felt good on so I’ll see how it goes
What was that?
You’ve got the right idea with some of it, just too much of some lol
Test base, dht deriv. & a 19nor take your pick, but pick one of each this time lol
Juicedhead
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The best gains I’ve ever had was on 1 gram test, 300mg deca, 450 ment. And 5iu gh. Not even fucking with u I went from 220to almost 250 in 4 weeks. AND got leaner! I know not smart but the weight just kept coming on it was crazy. My appetite was through the roof I felt amazing and had tons of energy my work outs were insanely good.
Except this time it’s primo instead of deca with the test and ment.
effswithtren
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Part of why I say that is I start getting a lot of sides fairly quick above 500 test. I respond a lot better to adding nandrolone instead of pushing past 500. But that’s me, and everyone is different.
I’m not particularly sold on ment but OP seems to want to run it. My bigger point was that, given the sides so often associated with high doses of each combined, I’d pick one or the other.
Edit, and knock off all the high dose orals. Fuck all that and that’s probably where half of OPs sides are coming from. Particularly all the dbol. That plus a gram of test has me bloated and lethargic just reading it.
Turbo charged
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Are you going into a show. I never heard of 100 dbol 100 anavar. I ran 100 anavar 100 winstrol before a show this cycle is pretty spot on for comp other than the dbol. People say it's alot and it is but for competition it's normal other than the dbol. I would never do anything like this in off season. But if this is just a normal cycle just to look good your nuts.
Juicedhead
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I don’t usually use orals but I wanted to push the envelope this time. Obviously it didn’t agree with me I lasted about a week haha I have all this gear and wanted to use everything but my body couldn’t handle it. I look good all the time but I wanted to push it and get even more size just cuz I like being big and ripped but not at the cost of feeling good.
Maybe consider something like test/primo/dhb or npp?
Juicedhead
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Yea I’m going with test,primo,ment
Man, that's a whole ton of bullshit, lol. And you aren't doing regular bloodwork? I know you did precycle bloodwork, but without recent bloodwork, you're just guessing as to what is making you lethargic.
I've ran 100mg per day of anavar and noticed very slight lethargy, but everyone is at least a bit different, possibly quite different.
You're experienced enough to know that you should only add one new compound at a time, in order to gauge how you respond. Further, you should start at a moderate dose and titrate upwards from there.
Basically, you're doing everything wrong, lol. And you know this.
One potentially huge thing here, your hematocrit was off before you even started the cycle, but you added literal grams without giving a fuck... dude, wtf are you doing?
Ideally, you would have gotten everything perfect before even starting the cycle, including the hematocrit, then added moderate doses, while checking weekly bloodwork to make small adjustments in the intermediary. When something gets out of wack, you simply correct it, then add more gear.
I know alot of guys think it's okay to have everything completely fucked for an entire cycle, then go ahead and try to be healthy during a cruise, but I honestly think that's bullshit. It's entirely possible to live the blast and cruise lifestyle without ever experiencing horrid side effects and staring blankly at your latest bloodwork, wondering, "Am I safe to keep doing this for another 8 weeks?"
I've ran 100mg per day of anavar and noticed very slight lethargy, but everyone is at least a bit different, possibly quite different.
You're experienced enough to know that you should only add one new compound at a time, in order to gauge how you respond. Further, you should start at a moderate dose and titrate upwards from there.
Basically, you're doing everything wrong, lol. And you know this.
One potentially huge thing here, your hematocrit was off before you even started the cycle, but you added literal grams without giving a fuck... dude, wtf are you doing?
Ideally, you would have gotten everything perfect before even starting the cycle, including the hematocrit, then added moderate doses, while checking weekly bloodwork to make small adjustments in the intermediary. When something gets out of wack, you simply correct it, then add more gear.
I know alot of guys think it's okay to have everything completely fucked for an entire cycle, then go ahead and try to be healthy during a cruise, but I honestly think that's bullshit. It's entirely possible to live the blast and cruise lifestyle without ever experiencing horrid side effects and staring blankly at your latest bloodwork, wondering, "Am I safe to keep doing this for another 8 weeks?"
Juicedhead
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Yea no I definitely went overboard haha my bloodwork was good 6 weeks ago and I was ready to start cycle. Hematocrit is always a little high but doctor said it’s not a big deal I was going to pull bloods midway cycle and see where everything is at. Basically what I did was I started with 500mg test, 600mg primo abs 50mg var for the first week. And then was slowly upping shit until week 3 and added dbol and tren cuz I had some laying around and I was feeling pretty good. That was like week 3.5. And then after 2 weeks of that I hit the wall running. It’s the tren dude it’s always the tren and it always will be the tren. Nothing makes me feel that bad and I guess I just have to accept that I can’t use it anymore I’m 30 now and my body rejects tren and I literally get sick from it. Regardless orals are shit anyway but like I said I have so much shit lying around I wanted to use it but I don’t really even like orals so I dropped them as well. I feel way better since the tren is gone appetite is crazy high already and I just dropped it a couple days ago. If my appetite is good then usually everything else will be good. I probably could’ve handed keeping the dbol or var in but I just pulled them. I might add one or the other towards the end at 50mg but idk if I will even need it. I pulled a Boston loyd. Idk how the fuck that guy could handle all that shit he was on man that’s insane.
eery
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bostin lloyd actually cant handle as much as he used to either
hes mentioned it in a bunch of podcasts.
Juicedhead
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I bet when I was in my early 20s I could’ve really pushed it if I wanted but I never did I don’t think I even used over a gram till like 26-28. That guy was on like 5-7 grams weekly that’s nuts. I know guys at my gym who run a gram of tren and I take 300 mg and it almost kills me. Shit just isn’t fairbostin lloyd actually cant handle as much as he used to either
Well, keep it updated . Another idea , if you haven’t decided on ment - drop the test a bit and increAse the primo? Incase this is estro related and primo is mild in terms of sides. Maybe add in some peptides... Once you feel better add in another compound for the back end . Maybe retry anavar ? I don’t have as much experience and I’m no mass monster but just offering some harm reduction advice .
Sounds like you know what's fucking with you brother.
