Fate

[dolfe1]

I didn't intend it to be fun between you and I. I already knew your stance. I'm still waiting for someone to say that they believe in fate.

While I wait for that, I'll throw out some food for though. Assuming that there is such a thing as fate(all event are predetermined) then we can not fault anyone for anything they do. If a guy kills 34 people in a PCP induced, pyschedelic, uzi toting rage, we can no more punish him for his actions than we can hold him accountable. Why? Because he is not repsonsible for them. The "Fates" wove that particular strand into their web. Not his fault.

It's is his fault, that would be his fate.

Similarly, the sentiment that "everything happens for a reason" is also silly. It's true, Bill died BECAUSE he was struck by a truck. That is "the reason." However, to imply that it happened because it's "part of God's plan" or something is silly. If people are endowed with free will, then theere can be no fate.

In love, there is no such thing as a "soul mate". There can be no one particular person that you are destined or "supposed" to be with because that would mean that all of life is scripted.

There can also not be any individual cases of fate. For instance, Jimmy can not be fated to run Billy over on March 12th, 2004, but not fated to do anything else in his life. This is because everyone else would have to be fated to perform the actions that they did on that particular day.

What if he woke up didn't speak to anyone and the wind blew a tree over and killed him?

Jimmy was fated to hit billy because his children(Jimmy's) were fated to wake up late that morning and miss the bus which caused Jimmy to have to drive his kids to school, which was why he was speeding. Billy was fated to be at the intersection of A st. and B st. because the night before his girlfriend was fated to lock her keys in her car while she was following her predetermined fate of getting really drunk on the shots that Fred was fated to buy her since he was fated to lose his job at the factory which was predetermined to close because the market for widgets was fated to fail at that particular time. Etc. ad naseum.

Well, even if no one else is participating, I still have fun talking to myself. It's about the best conversation I'm likely to find around here anyway.

What about someone on a desert island that never had any human interaction in their lives?

 

[big louie]

lol, fuck fate.. but i do believe in karma..

 

[dolfe1]

I love the "soul-mate" thing. If there is only one person out there who is your soulmate. You're screwed. What exactly are the chances that you would ever even see that person? Or that you would speak the same language? Or be of the appropriate gender? Or be "available" at the same time?
This contradicts the whole theory of a soul mate.

To believe in predestination is a reDICKulous waste of time. Is every thing that I do something preordained on my path to my destiny? What if I change my mind? Did the fates already know I was going to change my mind and change it for me? It bakes my noodle just thinking about it.

It's really not that hard to think about.

 

[CyniQ]

You? Nawww. You're a teddy bear right??

For the sake of debate I'll stick my neck out and oppose the Grizz.
Fate, in one form or another is one of the most widespread beliefs in history. It's one of the few things pagans and (most) christians agree on. John Calvin asserted that "God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; but also at his own pleasure arranged it." Similarly, it is not uncommon for an Islamic believer to say "mektoub" or "it is written" when calamity strikes. The bible says that God is "the one telling from the beginning the finale" Isaiah 46:10. Karma and reincarnation in Hinduism and Buddhism involve the idea of an inescapable destiny resulting from acts in a previous life. How could these ideas accepted by the vast majority of the world's citizens be wrong?

It's come to my attention that many people don't like to disagree with me. Of course, that just might be in person, since I can be an opposing figure.

I figured that if I went off at the mouth about how retarded fate is, no one would reply in the affirmative about their belief in it.

 

[CyniQ]

lol, fuck fate.. but i do believe in karma..

Karma and fate are essentially the same thing. See my above post.

 

[crewboss]

last post of the day before i venture home to tilt a brew or 2. ahh friday anyway this sounds like plato vs aristotle, "inherency" vs "learned reason". i go with aristotle, i believe humans create their own path.

 

[dolfe1]

I had to, Dolfe. It's come to my attention that many people don't like to disagree with me. Of course, that just might be in person, since I can be an opposing figure.

I figured that if I went off at the mouth about how retarded fate is, no one would reply in the affirmative about their belief in it.

People are timid to express their opinions for fear that someone might contradict them. Hey Grizzly I'll debate with you anytime! Everyone is wrong sometimes and I am not afraid to learn something new.

 

[CyniQ]

That's right Dolfe my proletarian brother! Join me as we rise up against our bourgeois oppressor! Proclaim your faith in the fates! And... er, Lenin?

People are timid to express their opinions for fear that someone might contradict them. Hey Grizzly I'll debate with you anytime! Everyone is wrong sometimes and I am not afraid to learn something new.

 

[dolfe1]

People are timid to express their opinions for fear that someone might contradict them. Hey Grizzly I'll debate with you anytime! Everyone is wrong sometimes and I am not afraid to learn something new.

There are twenty people in the general discussion curently and only a few posts in the last couple of hours, I believe this affirms my hypothesis.

 

[CyniQ]

There are twenty people in the general discussion curently and only a few posts in the last couple of hours, I believe this affirms my hypothesis.

Yeah! You pussies! Yeah you! You know who you are!

I'm whorein like a mofo. I have absolutely nothing constructive to say.

 

[dolfe1]

Yeah! You pussies! Yeah you! You know who you are!

I'm whorein like a mofo. I have absolutely nothing constructive to say.

lol By the way I do not believe in fate. CyniQ I don't think we will be seing any posts from any other members. I presume we have defeated Grizzly's purpose. lol

 

[CyniQ]

Yeah I looked at who's online. It seems none of the usual suspects are listed. I did notice that Carebare chick is looking at the Pics of our wives and girlfriends thread. She's the one who was hacking on sweet for not looking good, but hasn't posted a pic of herself yet.

lol By the way I do not believe in fate. CyniQ I don't think we will be seing any posts from any other members. I presume we have defeated Grizzly's purpose. lol

 

[john_phillips]

Yeah! You pussies! Yeah you! You know who you are!

I'm whorein like a mofo. I have absolutely nothing constructive to say.

I'm destined to be a pussy, because karma finds those who seek it's honesty. (How about that for constructive bull crap?!)

 

[thick]

i cant wait to read this thread. I dont have time today for a change. I am a complete believer in fate. Anyone that should've died a dozen times is. That is enough for me

 

[CyniQ]

I call that the Luck O' the Irish me boy. Ya'll have a goodun' I'm out

i cant wait to read this thread. I dont have time today for a change. I am a complete believer in fate. Anyone that should've died a dozen times is. That is enough for me

 

[dolfe1]

i cant wait to read this thread. I dont have time today for a change. I am a complete believer in fate. Anyone that should've died a dozen times is. That is enough for me

So what's your fate thick? To be some sort of immortal superhero?

 

[john_phillips]

i cant wait to read this thread. I dont have time today for a change. I am a complete believer in fate. Anyone that should've died a dozen times is. That is enough for me

The odds have been on your side. Eventually the odds catch up with us and we become that 1:100,000,000 that ___ happens to .

Life is math.

 

[dolfe1]

The odds have been on your side. Eventually the odds catch up with us and we become that 1:100,000,000 that ___ happens to .

Life is math.

John I really haven't understood any of your posts in this thread.

 

[sweettart29]

Okay I just got home I see that you guys have been very very bored today with out me lol....This is what I believe....FATE Is what u make it....There is only one person that makes the decisions and choices in your life and that is you...granted there r factors that u have to take into consideration when making these choices but in the end u r the one that decides what the outcome will b.....I am one of those people that believes either u make life happen or u wait for it to happen and if u wait for it to happen than u r gonna miss out on ALOT...

 

[Grizzly]

Yeah I looked at who's online. It seems none of the usual suspects are listed. I did notice that Carebare chick is looking at the Pics of our wives and girlfriends thread. She's the one who was hacking on sweet for not looking good, but hasn't posted a pic of herself yet.

Hmmm, I must have missed that one. Does the bear chick spell her name Karebear? If so, then I know her. She's an attention whoring, white trash, hillbilly who posts all over MMA boards. She's 19, been knocked up twice and she has droopy, fat girl titties. Of course, this might not be her on this board.