Fine tuning sust/dbol cycle

AirBorne

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I am trying to put the finishing touches on the plan for my first cycle. I see many saying to keep it simple while many say not to run test alone. Here is what I am looking at.

500 mg Sust/week (mon & thurs injections) weeks 1-8

30 mg Dbol/ed weeks 1-4

Clomid post cycle


I am wondering a couple things about this setup. Will i need anything like arim during the cycle? I am 21 and im not sure if my age will cause me to need different amounts of post cycle drugs- 3 weeks too long for clomid? (need details for clomid doses).

Some saying to add EQ. Im thinking it might be overkill for first cycle. Maybe sub EQ for Dbol.... :confused: Any tweaks to stack or any thoughts at all would kick ass!


"The only thing stronger than me is my mind" ~Special Forces Literature
 
your cycle looks good except you need arimidex or femara during the cycle. 0.5mg arimidex eod or 2.5mg femara eod is a good base to start with, and you can increase the dosages if they are insufficient. Dont bother with EQ for your first cycle. you'll have great gains with just the sust and dbol, thats for sure

Skywalk
 
skywalk said:
your cycle looks good except you need arimidex or femara during the cycle. 0.5mg arimidex eod or 2.5mg femara eod is a good base to start with, and you can increase the dosages if they are insufficient. Dont bother with EQ for your first cycle. you'll have great gains with just the sust and dbol, thats for sure

Skywalk


Totally agree. Great advice.
 
ThePatriot said:
Totally agree. Great advice.

i would throw in some deca if it were me....300-400 mg a week.....bump on what the bro said for the arimidex....also ad HCG post cycle........

Peace
 
urbadside said:
i would throw in some deca if it were me....300-400 mg a week.....bump on what the bro said for the arimidex....also ad HCG post cycle........

Peace
I would also put some deca in the cycle run it for about 5-6 weeks, you will see it is awsome for the joints, but you can run what you have that was my first cycle
 
Oh I didnt see that clomid in there. You might want to use nolvadex for pct. I never go with clomid again after the second time I did it. Made me a whiny girl.
 
ThePatriot said:
Oh I didnt see that clomid in there. You might want to use nolvadex for pct. I never go with clomid again after the second time I did it. Made me a whiny girl.

HAHA yeah the last thing I need is people telling me im a whiny bitch.

What kind if a difference are we talking about here if DECA were added to the stack? Also, if I add DECA, do I still go with arim every day and nolva for post cycle?
 
urbadside said:
i would throw in some deca if it were me....300-400 mg a week.....bump on what the bro said for the arimidex....also ad HCG post cycle........

Peace

for a first cycle he'll have great gains without deca. You can throw it in there if you want, but remember these things as you decide. Deca is notorious for bloat, it stays in your body for well over a year after your last injection, and you might get prog gyno from it and the only way to counter that is to get something like bromocriptine. I'll never use deca....EQ is the gear of my choice. increases appetite and thus its great for bulking. it increases vascularity and many use it for cutting. what makes something a bulker or a cutter? in my opinion, its your diet. Anyway, good luck and keep us posted

Skywalk
 
bro you don't need the deca, keep it simple and you'll still grow like a weed. IMO you don't need the Dbol either for your 1st ever cycle, but what you have right now is exactly what you'll need. all of the vets here will tell you the same thing: more drugs does not equal more gains. get some nolva or a-dex and cycle in the way these guys are recommending. i recommend liquidresearch.com's liquidex. eat clean and often, drink a gallon of water every day, sleep 8-9 hours every night. lay off the booze, and train like a sommabitch. good luck.
 
crewboss said:
bro you don't need the deca, keep it simple and you'll still grow like a weed. IMO you don't need the Dbol either for your 1st ever cycle, but what you have right now is exactly what you'll need. all of the vets here will tell you the same thing: more drugs does not equal more gains. get some nolva or a-dex and cycle in the way these guys are recommending. i recommend liquidresearch.com's liquidex. eat clean and often, drink a gallon of water every day, sleep 8-9 hours every night. lay off the booze, and train like a sommabitch. good luck.


I am def goin with sust on this cycle. Now this IS my first, and lots are sayin to do eod injects. Would mon/wed/fri injects work? Also, in order to run 500 mg/week, injection dosages are gonna need to be tweaked. Is this hard to do, or is it just as simple as drawing wut you need from the amp and saving it for the next shoot? Thanks alot for all the help, you guys kick ass!
 
I personally would run the test for 10 weeks, not 8. Some people have there best gains when you are stopping, just a thought.
 
if it's sus i'm guessing your amps are 1cc, so it should be 250ml each. maybe not, depends on what sus u have. if they're 250ml amps save yourself the trouble and potential for infection and do 2 shots a week. 1cc on monday, 1cc on friday, or whatever days you decide on. on my first cycle i did sus only. i shot 2cc's together once per week and did fine. spreading them out is a better idea because it will keep your blood levels up.
 
i agree w/ aaron - 10-12 weeks is much better than 8 if you're doing sus only. it will take 3-4 weeks for the longer acting esters to kick in.
 
crewboss said:
i agree w/ aaron - 10-12 weeks is much better than 8 if you're doing sus only. it will take 3-4 weeks for the longer acting esters to kick in.


Alright Guys...sounds good thanks alot. Im gonna run the sust250 @500 mg/week for 12 weeks with dbol @30mg/ed for 4 weeks. Arim eod @.5 mg and Nolva post cycle 40/40/20/20.

You guys agree with the nolva regimen? I remember reading a thread a short time ago that tells you when to start on post cycle meds, but now I cant find the lil bastard. WHen using sust, how long before I start the Nolva? THanks bros
 
What's up man!?

Hey - I'm sure there are some who will dispute this, don't take nolvadex until you need it...but have it (and arimidex) on hand incase you need it. I have a buddy who gets away with well over a gram a week (mainly test) and doesn't take novladex during cycle (only afterwards) - he doesn't get gyno flare-ups at even a gram a week!!! Some people aren't so lucky - some of us are more prone to gyno, hypertension, etc. It's shitty, but we have to work with the genes we are given.

Since this is your first cycle, be VERY watchful of what your body is doing. If your B.P. elevates really high or if you get that itchy, scratchy sensation in the nipples (and you'll know it when it happens), start the novladex or adex. Without previous cycles, you just don't know how you'll react to test. It was said above, AND I CAN NOT agree more with the following, "eat clean and often, drink a gallon of water every day, sleep 8-9 hours every night. lay off the booze, and train like a sommabitch." Those are almost cardinal...but here's one I would add - "get a nice girl who's naughty in the bedroom"...you'll be the 21 year old stud us older boys wish we were again.

Best wishes!
JP

AirBorne said:
Alright Guys...sounds good thanks alot. Im gonna run the sust250 @500 mg/week for 12 weeks with dbol @30mg/ed for 4 weeks. Arim eod @.5 mg and Nolva post cycle 40/40/20/20.

You guys agree with the nolva regimen? I remember reading a thread a short time ago that tells you when to start on post cycle meds, but now I cant find the lil bastard. WHen using sust, how long before I start the Nolva? THanks bros
 
yeah some never use anti-e's and they're fine. others will get A cups in 4 weeks if they don't. still others go years without anti-e's and suddenly realize they need them. i use them on and post cycle regardless to reduce water retention.

bro check out Phreezer's First Cycle post in the Anabolic forum. read it twice.
 
On a side note...
Are you in the service?
Active duty?
Where are you stationed & what is your MOS
jsut curious

I am also about to start a similar cycle with sus 500 deca 300 and dbol
Are you going to do any before and after shots?

I am going to try to and get them on here
Peace
 
john_phillips said:
What's up man!?

Hey - I'm sure there are some who will dispute this, don't take nolvadex until you need it...but have it (and arimidex) on hand incase you need it. I have a buddy who gets away with well over a gram a week (mainly test) and doesn't take novladex during cycle (only afterwards) - he doesn't get gyno flare-ups at even a gram a week!!! Some people aren't so lucky - some of us are more prone to gyno, hypertension, etc. It's shitty, but we have to work with the genes we are given.

Since this is your first cycle, be VERY watchful of what your body is doing. If your B.P. elevates really high or if you get that itchy, scratchy sensation in the nipples (and you'll know it when it happens), start the novladex or adex. Without previous cycles, you just don't know how you'll react to test. It was said above, AND I CAN NOT agree more with the following, "eat clean and often, drink a gallon of water every day, sleep 8-9 hours every night. lay off the booze, and train like a sommabitch." Those are almost cardinal...but here's one I would add - "get a nice girl who's naughty in the bedroom"...you'll be the 21 year old stud us older boys wish we were again.

Best wishes!
JP

it's starting to stress me out how the general consensus about taking ancillaries during cycle is to wait for symptoms before taking them. let me cut and paste an old post I made:




Quote: Originally Posted by graybass
By ancillary do mean anti-est? Ive never had a problem with gyno or related problems, so i'm not taken noval or anything, although I was thinking about it because I was going to do a fairly long cycle. Would this be better or worse? I plan to end with Clomid. I have stopped the A50's to see if that makes a difference.
I appreciate any more feedback! That Old Graybass!



Bro, you are setting yourself up for death at a very young age
Why do I say that? You currently have uncontrolled levels of estrogen raging in your body. Do you have to SHOW signs of gyno when you have too much estrogen in your body? NO.....gyno is not merely caused by high levels of estrogen, it's also determined by the ratio of androgens to estrogens. Thus you could go for weeks of extremely elevated levels of estrogen and not have a clue about it (cus you dont see it)

Elevated estrogen will do some or all of the following things to your body (it might have already so you BETTER GET CHECKED!)
1) ventricular hypertrophy from extended periods of elevated BP, concurrent with steroid use
2) makes you store fat like there's no tomorrow
3) DECREASES your gains (less muscle)
4) supresses your HTPA tremendously
5) causes kidney damage
and so on....you get the idea. these levels of estrogen are BAD.

your lack of anti-aromatase during the cycle is the worst thing you could do to yourself.
- get your blood pressure checked by a professional.
- get bloodwork done that measures test, free test, and female hormones (est, prog, etc)
- get some nolvadex and femara PRONTO and take 2.5mg femara ED for 2 weeks, then EOD till the end of your cycle. nolvadex at 20mg ED.
- get your kidney function checked, including ADH, and aldosterone.

on the other hand, you can say f*** this I "FEEL" fine, i'll just carry on doing what i'm doing. But answer me this: Guy on the street running around, carrying on with his daily activities FEELS fine. exercises, does cardio and eats well, suddenly drops dead of a heart attack. he FELT fine....but was his body healthy?
for your sake, go get checked

(end cut and paste.)

So I hope we can cut the crap about having ancillaries "on hand" and taking them when you start getting itchy nips. Everyone will need ancillaries during cycle. People prone to gyno take more, others not prone to it take less.
think about it....if your body aromatizes most of the gear but you still maintain the ratio of androgens to estrogens, you wont show gyno. You'll still have a shitload of estrogen in your body, but you wont show it. Whats the main point here? well the most important one for the AAS user who wants to put on muscle mass is that he has a lot less gear to cause growth, since most of it has been aromatized. secondly, you have all the aforementioned side effects of estrogen like making you FAT, supressing HPTA, etc. its all in the post above. so pple who want to wait for itchy nips, go for it if you really want to, but now you know you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Skywalk
 
linoleum said:
On a side note...
Are you in the service?
Active duty?
Where are you stationed & what is your MOS
jsut curious

I am also about to start a similar cycle with sus 500 deca 300 and dbol
Are you going to do any before and after shots?

I am going to try to and get them on here
Peace


Wuts up bro...

Yeah, im in the service. Wont go active duty for another year and a half....gotta graduate college to pin on those butter-bars, hooahh! I got a shitload of training this summer...combat survival in alaska and airborne @ft. benning Basically, I am hell bent on maxing out the physical fitness tests so my class rank stays high. I am really good shape already, just that I will probably drop lots of weight this summer and I dont wanna come back looking like a skeleton. Plus...who the hell wouldnt wanna be all swollllllllll up?!?! :D Not officially stationed anywhere yet, not till after school. As for job description....AFSOC- PJ/CCT baby, all the way! Im gonna be jumpin outta C-130s to save all those Rangers that get lost...hahaha. Im JK bro....shitloads of respect to all of those servicemen and women out there....especially SpecOps- that shit takes big fuckin nuts man! Dear Christ I am rambling here....

Yes im gonna do b4 and after shots. Ill post em when its all said and done! Good luck to you and thanks again to everyone who is being so helpful. I never expected to find so much humor in this forum.,...some of you fockers got some funny shit to say. Peace!


"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

~George Orwell
 
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