Finished first natty show, ready for cycle

[stargab]

Hi, I just finished my first local men's physique competition. I placed 6 and i'm very happy with the results. I did however discover two things, one that I really want to keep on competing, and two that I want to compete in bodybuilding not men's physique.

I have been training since I was 13 years old, and thanks to bodybuilding I have stayed away from both alcohol, tobacco and drugs. I am 21 years old now, I weight about 200 lbs, and my bodyfat is 12%

I know that 21 is considered too young on this forums, but I really want to try to compete in junior bodybuilding, and if I want to do so I have to act fast, and build the required mass.

My main concern is damage reduction, I want to do this cycle as safe and well planned as possible.

I have been reading a lot and think this should be an optimal beginner cycle.

Week 1-12: Test-E 500 mg/week
Week 1-12: HCG 500 iu/week
Week: 13-15: Take nothing
Week 16-17: Nolvadex 40 mg/day
Week 18-19: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I will also have arimidex on hand, and only run if needed. I am also using finasterid as I want to keep my hair as much as possible.

Now to my question, all those horror stories you read on the internet, are the main reason for those stories bad planned cycles and people doing things they have no clue about or is it just as likely to happen bad side effects to people who plan their cycle to the last bit? My main concerns are ED and infertility. How likely are those to happen to someone my age, with a mild cycle like this?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

How tall are you?

For you the best way to prevent any ED or fertility issues and to wai until your endocrine system has matured. This is approximately 23-25 years of age. Youre still growing and have lots of potential left. Dont rush this and become a statistic that we see here all the time.

Congrats on your natural physique.

 

[stargab]

How tall are you?

For you the best way to prevent any ED or fertility issues and to wai until your endocrine system has matured. This is approximately 23-25 years of age. Youre still growing and have lots of potential left. Dont rush this and become a statistic that we see here all the time.

Congrats on your natural physique.

Thank you!
I am 180 cm (5'9). Is it any possible way for me to see if my endocrine system has matured? I was very early in puberty, and I like to believe that I have had a lot of testosterone as building muscles never was too hard for me.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I dont believe there is a test per se. But it has been determined in the medical community that the endocrine system matures around 23-25 years of age. I believe this has to do largely with the issues that seem to develop prior to that age group.

 

[flexx89]

Week: 13-15: Take nothing

if u run this cycle i would run test prop here at 100-150mg EOD while the test e is clearing your system. also with the hcg, i dont think u need to run it the whole cycle. some ppl do, some dont. i personally blast about 1000mg ED for 5 days towards the end of my cycle.

Monday - 1000mg HCG
Tuesday - 1000mg HCG + last test prop pin
Wednesday - 1000mg HCG
Thursday - 1000mg HCG
Friday - 1000mg HCG
Saturday - start PCT with clomid, nolva, aromasin

 

[Maktub]

First It will be good to get precycle bloods! Check estro, TT level .
At 21 I'm pretty sure your TT level are really high !
I miss those days Jajaj.

Any ways my personal opinion is that most scary cycle stories is due to lack of information.
They don't set up their cycle the right way!
They are most like " do now , ask later".
Good think you are doing reasearch
; looks like you ready .

Ps do blood work ; depending on what number you get then you can decide to cycle or not .
Look under the lab testing there's a link to get the right test for this.

 

[Sworder]

I dont believe there is a test per se. But it has been determined in the medical community that the endocrine system matures around 23-25 years of age. I believe this has to do largely with the issues that seem to develop prior to that age group.

lol such BS.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Youre right Sworder. I should have included the word "believe" in that statement because that's what i believe based on the enormous amount of information suggesting that compromised endocrine systems seem to occur more frequently before the age of 25.

However, if you have information suggesting otherwise i would gladly read it and perhaps change my position on this topic. Otherwise, continue with your glib remarks and maintaining the honor of being the village idiot around here.

 

[Big_paul]

looks good brother. I'm not going to judge a 21 yo man. you make your own decisions now.
Hcg may be high, i'n thinking 250 iu's. and start week 2-3.

Good luck.

 

[Sworder]

However, if you have information suggesting otherwise i would gladly read it and perhaps change my position on this topic. Otherwise, continue with your glib remarks and maintaining the honor of being the village idiot around here.

What are you even referring to by stating that the "endocrine system matures?" What does that mean?

It's a statement used by many but in reality WTF are you talking about?
The time it takes until the body produces it's peak tT?
Any type of receptor behavior?
Please give specifics if you can what you are even talking about? The hypothalamus? Pituitary? Testes? Growth plates fusing?

 

[korat]

Wait four more years at minimum. Bodybuilding saved you from drugs and alcohol so why turn to bb drugs now. Keep lifting naturally use legal supps. You will gain plenty of muscle/hardness. When you get over 30 reassess things and then make a choice. Stay natural

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I agree with Paul. But its equally important to make informed decisions. Keep digging and asking questions. Good luck either way.

 

[Sworder]

Wait four more years at minimum. Bodybuilding saved you from drugs and alcohol so why turn to bb drugs now. Keep lifting naturally use legal supps. You will gain plenty of muscle/hardness. When you get over 30 reassess things and then make a choice. Stay natural

The guy is competing... He has done what 99% on here hasn't done and wants to further his ambition by using AAS in bodybuilding.


To OP.
The potential damage is long term effects of ED or recovering properly, but you have to understand that if you are using AAS to achieve go beyond what your body can maintain. You will not be able to maintain it while off cycle. So if you are wanting use AAS to surpass natural limits basically you will have to use AAS for a long period of time.

I wouldn't use AAS unless you were committed or willing to use AAS/TRT for the rest of your life.

 

[Sworder]

I agree with Paul. But its equally important to make informed decisions. Keep digging and asking questions. Good luck either way.

Can't answer my response? Who would have known.. The parrot and circle jerker NN

 

[korat]

The guy is competing... He has done what 99% on here hasn't done and wants to further his ambition by using AAS in bodybuilding.



To OP.
The potential damage is long term effects of ED or recovering properly, but you have to understand that if you are using AAS to achieve go beyond what your body can maintain. You will not be able to maintain it while off cycle. So if you are wanting use AAS to surpass natural limits basically you will have to use AAS for a long period of time.

I wouldn't use AAS unless you were committed or willing to use AAS/TRT for the rest of your life.

He's competing so what? You can still max your frame naturally without using. Until you hit a natural max, no reason to enter the dark side. Earlier isn't better, hope OP waits and reconsiders

 

[Sworder]

He's competing so what? You can still max your frame naturally without using. Until you hit a natural max, no reason to enter the dark side. Earlier isn't better, hope OP waits and reconsiders

Shows a level of dedication most people here do not have. Why are you asking him to wait? Wait til 30 for what? A revelation of sorts?

 

[korat]

Shows a level of dedication most people here do not have. Why are you asking him to wait? Wait til 30 for what? A revelation of sorts?[/QUOT

Revelation, yeah stay natty as long as possible. This stuff rewires you from top to bottom. OP wants the perfect scenario, gains and minimal sides. Wish it worked like that. We don't know his family history, addiction genes etc. On the other side he could have the constitution of buffalo. Roids can ruin you this early in life. Take advantage of your natural endocrine system, maximize it, then turn to peds.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I dont believe there is a test per se. But it has been determined in the medical community that the endocrine system matures around 23-25 years of age. I believe this has to do largely with the issues that seem to develop prior to that age group.

lol such BS.

The only BS is the shit that constantly oozes out of your mouth, Dumbo. NN is absolutely right. Males continue to physically develop well into their twenties.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Can't answer my response? Who would have known.. The parrot and circle jerker NN

Your "response" is nonsense. Unlike you, most people work for a living and don't have time to suffer fools.

You calling someone else a parrot is funny. You're the quintessential parrot. If not for Google, you would have nothing to say - just inane questions about your left nipple moving or the discovery of semen in your rectum. Idiot.



http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-replacement-therapy-low-testosterone-treatment-anti-aging/519006-trenbolone-hrt-better-than-testosterone.html (http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...-trenbolone-hrt-better-than-testosterone.html)

Examples of Sworder's extensive knowledge of AAS:

Originally Posted by Sworder
Why can AAS cause your penis to stop working like it should? Hard-ons aren't as hard as they used to be. No more pointing to the sky and sometimes it goes limp during intercourse. viagra and cialis increase the bloodflow to the penis but this is not repairing what caused the ED in the first place. It is simply bypassing the problem. I am not talking about possible low testosterone (hormonal imbalance) being the problem, it is occurring through a different pathway.

Any ideas are welcome!


This was one of his posts on 06-18-2012, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder
Ok, first off sorry to soil your mind with the imagery I am projecting.


So, past 3 days after I have been taking a shit I have noticed some what I thought looked like mucus in the toilet. Didn't think about it that much, just thought I had spit in the toilet or something earlier. Found it again 2 days ago, didn't really pay attention. Then yesterday as I am taking a shit, I notice ejaculatory fluids coming out thick as I am squeezing out the turds.

Is this because my prostate is enlarged right now or what is my excrement pushing against to make the fluid discharge(about 5ml, thick yellowish cloudy) out of my phallus ?


p.s I am on a lot of gear right now..

Originally Posted by Sworder

Do obese men require a higher TRT dose to be effective?

Why?


10/7/12

Originally Posted by Sworder
I have so called "puffy nipples" from puberty and I have never really noticed that they were puffy. I just thought it was normal. I have yet to do a cycle and my question is as follows: does me having puffy nipples mean I am more prone to gyno than others? If I do get gyno would it just keep building on to that small glad that is already there from my pubescence?


Would be great to hear from somebody that has the same "problem"..


on the 5/29/11

Originally Posted by Sworder
Hey guys, both me and my brother are on cycles and we both noticed our left nipples moving down and to the left(towards the armpit). I have had itchy/sore areolas but my brother has had no problems. Is the relocation of the nipple just a result of more muscle mass? Is this common?

 

[stargab]

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Thanks for the replies. I am not delusional I know that I'm never going to be a pro bb, nor is it my intention to be one. I'm also well aware of the fact that I'm not going to just do one cycle. I have always been fascinated by the classic physiques such as Zane, and that is what I'm going for (Maybe not aesthetic wise, but the size)

I have wanted to do steroids since I was 16 years old, and have managed to delay it as much as possible. I'm not going to disrespect you by lying to you guys, It really hurts to see boys 18 years old, who haven't lifted at all jump on steroids and gains the mass and strength for which I have dedicated several years, and made big sacrifices to achieve.

As I said I have waited several years to do cycle, and I feel very sure and ready psychologically but it's the physical effects which I'm afraid of. I could easily wait till I was 25 years old, but is it really going to change a lot? I'm ready to make more sacrifices, but I could not bear the thought to lose my infertility or having ED at the age of 21. Anyone know what the odds of such a thing is at my age with a mild cycle? I see guys younger than me doing a whole lot more with no side effects (so far).