First Cycle ever Test P and Test E

[BigMick]

I need an AAS for TRT. That is why I'm not on anything else at this time. I've been told that I would naturally lose belly fat with test as my levels get back to where they should be. As long as I keep the estrogen in check.

Thanks for the response. I am already starting to feel better. I mean it was bad man there were days I HAD to take a nap at 1:00pm and I would catch myself trailing off during long conference calls and phone calls. I felt like crap and still have a ways to go.

I felt the same way after being off for 3 yrs. Wanted to sleep all the time had no energy didn't want to do anything but sit on my couch. Had blood work done test levels were at 330s. Just got back on a week ago feeling great.

If I was you I would run 100 test p eod and 250-300mg of test e once a week.
I would hold on to the eq for a different cycle.imo

Hope you are feeling a lot better!

 

[weekend]

My best gains come from lifting at the end of the day. Around 7-9 pm. I usually wake up around 11 am though.

 

[Spyder]

I don't recommend lifting on an empty stomach. Your body starts to burn muscle for fuel instead of fat. The intensity of weight training is too high. Cardio on an empty stomach is great but even then, the intensity shouldn't be so high that your heart rate goes above 70% of your max. Same reason, without carbs in your system, your objective is to solely burn stored fat for fuel, if the intensity is too high, your body switches to burning muscle.

Sorry just a personal opinion but that does not make a whole lot of sense to me - just my opinion no flame(I never eat breakfast and I workout in the am and cardio late afternoon - no muscle loss here). Each to his own w/training - the most important part after lifting is getting protein into the system quickly as possible - I shoot for 15 mins. after.

 

[Spyder]

About 2 years ago I stopped eating anything processed. No cereal, no bread, nothing more than 3 steps from the earth. No potato very few nuts other than almonds. I slimmed down considerably for a bit then it started coming back. I used to eat chips, and drink diet Pepsi like crazy.

The diet in my house is pretty clean. We occasionally do pizza or something but very rarely. That kind of food gives me gas and other major side effects now.

This fucking great! Love it. (no gay)

 

[flex001]

Sorry just a personal opinion but that does not make a whole lot of sense to me - just my opinion no flame(I never eat breakfast and I workout in the am and cardio late afternoon - no muscle loss here). Each to his own w/training - the most important part after lifting is getting protein into the system quickly as possible - I shoot for 15 mins. after.

I don't mind the difference in opinion however I've been an NFPT certified personal trainer for years and all of my training and readings have steered me against it. That's great if you haven't had any muscle loss but I'm not the only trainer that follows this rule of thumb. Marc Lobliner says the same thing on his youtube channel and doesn't recommend it to his clients either. Again, that's great if you haven't had any muscle loss but it's not something I or a lot of accomplished personal trainers would recommend.

 

[flex001]

"Just to be clear: Training with weights on an empty stomach is not a good idea. While you may burn a little more fat during the workout, your cortisol will be higher and you will burn muscle tissue. Plus, your energy level will be lousy because of low blood sugar. Remember, you want to be energized and motivated to attack the workout so you create muscle damage. That’s a key component to ensuring the fat-melting side-effect of building muscle."

http://www.labrada.com/blog/workouts/weight-training-on-an-empty-stomach-dont-do-it/

 

[Spyder]

I don't mind the difference in opinion however I've been an NFPT certified personal trainer for years and all of my training and readings have steered me against it. That's great if you haven't had any muscle loss but I'm not the only trainer that follows this rule of thumb. Marc Lobliner says the same thing on his youtube channel and doesn't recommend it to his clients either. Again, that's great if you haven't had any muscle loss but it's not something I or a lot of accomplished personal trainers would recommend.

No worries 2 each his own - I love going 2 the gym @ 6am and no breakfast - big lifts and feel great after. Reps 2 your cert.

 

[Beergut75]

Fitness pal says I'm -387 for today and I followed it carefully. I like that app it seems like it will make things easier. I also had some beer it calculated that as well.

 

[flex001]

You're well on your way to reaching your goals my friend.

 

[Beergut75]

Sunday I did a monster leg workout and squats were good, Killed myself on lunges. Could barely walk Monday pinned 1ml Pep test E 300mg and 1ml of EQ in left quad. Very little pip at all. It's obvious that the PIP was me not PEP's gear. I played about 2 hrs of High Intensity run and gun full court basket ball and I was wiped out. I can barely walk today again but drug myself to the gym and did bench, decline bench, incline bench, cable fly's, up's and downs. Good chest day.

My weight is around 193-197 that's my float I guess. I have been below 2,000 calories everyday some days way below.

The my fitness pal ap doesn't give any calorie burn for lifting? We have to be burning some calories while lifting?

 

[flex001]

The scale might not change a lot initially. It's tough to gauge because you should be losing some body fat, building muscle and you might hold a little water also. A greater indicator might be a mirror is this case. EQ is also known for increasing appetite if I remember correctly so it might be tough to maintain a negative calorie deficit with increased hunger (just an FYI).

Yeah, that frustrates me also about Myfitness Pal. They have a calculator on their website but it doesn't really work (at least not for). I've used the calculator below and just use "lifting weight - general". I tend to be conservative with putting in how many calories have been burned and I always recommend being conservative if weight loss is your goal. Reason being is that I don't want to take too much credit for calories burned. People like to see a huge number to pat themselves on the back but results are the ultimate reward.


http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/cbc

 

[Beergut75]

I am still incredibly sore from Sunday's leg work out. I can barely walk up and down stairs or sit on a toilet. I've tried some recovery supplements and some Advil. Does anyone have any advice I am working shoulders today so legs won't stop me in the gym at least.

 

[fit2beking]

I am still incredibly sore from Sunday's leg work out. I can barely walk up and down stairs or sit on a toilet. I've tried some recovery supplements and some Advil. Does anyone have any advice I am working shoulders today so legs won't stop me in the gym at least.

You can soak in the tub using epsom salt. It works wonders. Just make the water as hot as you can take.

 

[Beergut75]

Thanks man. The lunges I think were what did me in.

 

[flex001]

Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (DOMS) is pretty common. I recommend Therma Care Heat Wraps if it gets to be uncomfortable.

 

[Beergut75]

Heading to the grocery store today to map out this weeks calories, fat percentages, carbs, and proteins. I didn't really overdo it at thanksgiving dinner but I did have a couple of slices of pie. Then missed 2 days in the gym because of travel and family obligations.

 

[Beergut75]

Had considerable strength gains on chest day and back day. Unfortunately I had to work today and the workout from today's job was so intense I had to lay down for a bit when I got home. I didn't eat right just drank a protein shake then worked all day. Had another protein shake and I think I let myself get to tired. My biceps are growing and my legs are getting more defined. I'm not sure if my stomach is actually getting smaller or if that is in my head. I feel like my face is losing water/fat whatever.

I'm about out of EQ and honestly have not felt any advantage to running it and question whether I should even order more? I'm 5 weeks in and other than feeling a lot better and some minimal strength gains I'm not sure how much good I'm doing. I am going to try to get more cardio and REALLY crank down on the diet.

I had a delicious salmon recipe tonight and it was amazing. If I can find more meals like that I will be in heaven.

 

[Beergut75]

Had a bad pin yesterday it hurt so bad I pulled it out and pinned again. I have pip in the place where the first pin was not where I injected. Still can't feel any difference from just plain test and the test plus EQ. There are days that I am really hungry but not every day.

I'm really focused on leaning out for the next 6 weeks.

 

[biggerben69]

The scale might not change a lot initially. It's tough to gauge because you should be losing some body fat, building muscle and you might hold a little water also. A greater indicator might be a mirror is this case. EQ is also known for increasing appetite if I remember correctly so it might be tough to maintain a negative calorie deficit with increased hunger (just an FYI).

Yeah, that frustrates me also about Myfitness Pal. They have a calculator on their website but it doesn't really work (at least not for). I've used the calculator below and just use "lifting weight - general". I tend to be conservative with putting in how many calories have been burned and I always recommend being conservative if weight loss is your goal. Reason being is that I don't want to take too much credit for calories burned. People like to see a huge number to pat themselves on the back but results are the ultimate reward.


http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/cbc

I read the first page or 2 then jumped to the end. Did you mention the lab name of the gear ur running? Sounds like the painful shit stew pinnacle serves up that anyone can find and buy.
If not u could be using a lab that has a hack for a brewer and ur having a reaction to the EO he's using in everything though it doesn't need to be in anything.
I have to believe somewhere in the 6 or so pgs someone told u that EQ(boldenone) takes weeks before you visually see any results and min 16-20 weeks min it should be run is popular length for best results.
If its pinnacle gear don't bother wishing death on them because of your pain...zeek, one of the guys behind the swill died a couple of months ago at the ripe age of 42 or 43yrs. Just don't order.

Had a bad pin yesterday it hurt so bad I pulled it out and pinned again. I have pip in the place where the first pin was not where I injected. Still can't feel any difference from just plain test and the test plus EQ. There are days that I am really hungry but not every day.

I'm really focused on leaning out for the next 6 weeks.

 

[Beergut75]

Ben thank you for following my log. I know you have great knowledge so feel free to correct me. I'm admittedly a rookie and learning as I go occasionally through mistakes unfortunately. The gear I am running is from PEP and sometimes it goes so smooth I can't even tell that I pinned it. Other times I get sore. What I have found is it is me not the gear.

The EQ was recommended to me probably as more of a cutter to help with PIP than anything I think? I am only about 2 weeks into running it so I guess I will have to keep waiting to see results. My biggest question with EQ is whether it's worth the time to run it. I don't see many people writing about it