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First cycle log Test C only

Push50 said:
According to this site free test actually increases.
Give it a read. I can not speak directly to it because I do not run Finasteride.

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I mean my blood work I did twice before starting my cycle and total and free test went up from low-mid range to upper end of the reference range just on finasteride. Obviously other factors can play a role too but it makes sense with the biochemical pathway
 
Hey guys, up to week 8 of my first cycle

Below are my bloods pre cycle and at week 4
Pre cycle Baseline
  • Hct - 0.48
  • Creatinine (89), GFR (105)
  • HbA1c - (32) - norm 20-40
  • LFTs - AST (34), ALT (24), ALP (86)
  • Lipids - LDL (2.4), HDL (1.78), total cholesterol (4.4), trigly c (0.5), total cholesterol/HDL (2.5) - reference ranges LDL <2, HDL >1, total cholesterol <4, triglyc <1.7, total cholesterol/HDL <4
  • LH - (4.5) - norm - 2-9 IU
  • FSH - (3.3) - norm 2-12 IU
  • Test - free (573 pmol), total (26 nmol) - reference ranges free 220-680, total 8.6-29
  • DHEAS
  • SHBG -
  • Estradiol - (140) - norm <160
  • Prolactin - (289) - norm 55-380
  • Cortisol - (349) - norm 170-540 (at 0800hrs)



Week 4 of test C 400mg
  • Hct 0.48
  • Creatinine 96, GFR 96
  • HbA1c - () - norm 20-40
  • LFTs - AST (32), ALT (25), GGT (), ALP (80)
  • Lipids - LDL 3.8 HDL (1.17), total cholesterol 5.3(), triglyc 0.7, total cholesterol/HDL (4.5) - reference ranges LDL <2, HDL >1, total cholesterol <4, triglyc <1.7, total cholesterol/HDL <4
  • LH - (0) - norm - 2-9 IU
  • FSH - (0) - norm 2-12 IU
  • Test - free 1642 picomol , total >50 (149) - reference ranges
  • DHEAS
  • SHBG -20
  • Estradiol - 228 - norm <160
  • Prolactin -425 - norm 55-380
  • Progesterone - 1 - norm 0-1
  • Cortisol - () - norm 170-540 (at 0800hrs)
 
Planning on running this cycle for 18 weeks. I know this on the longer end but I want steady gains and to make this first cycle a good platform for future cycles

I have NPP and anavar on hand, wondering when the best time would be to add either of these in? Or should I hold off and just finish this test only cycle


The only side effects I’ve had are road rage (never been one to have this haha), night sweats, extreme drive and motivation to do things, and boosted confidence

The gains haven’t been that noticeable but it is early days (only week 8), and 4 of these weeks my body would’ve still been climbing to a steady serum state of test.
Definitely have noticed increase in strength. Endurance maybe a bit worse but also could be that the intensity of sets has been up there compared to previous
 
Week 12 of test C only cycle

Bloods
- Free test 1663 pmol/L (220-680)
- SHBG 19 nmol (13-48)
- Prolactin 316 (55-380)
- Estradiol 271 (male <160)
- LDL 3.8
- Haematocrit 0.49 (0.4 - 0.52)
LFTs normal. eGFR and creatinine normal
 
Lifts have increased over the 12 weeks
PRs: squat increase by 10 kg, deadlift by 20 kg, and bench by 10

Wanting to add NPP. Any guidance on how to introduce this and what I should change my test dose to would be much appreciated. Planning on running this for week 13 - 20.

Then a TRT maintenance phase for 8 weeks before coming off and doing a PCT
 
Actin myosin said:
After watching the threads for years, and having my own gear sitting here for the past 5 months I’m ready to start ahaha actually just did first pin 5 minutes ago. Easy as. Ventraglute slid straight in 24G needle.

Anyway wanting some feedback for first cycle. My Aromasin, Nolva, and Clomid haven’t arrived yet so starting low and slow with me test C.

Plan

Week 1-4 - 200 mg/week
Week 5-8 - 300mg/week
Week 8-16 - 400mg/week

Have NPP, Anadrol and anavar on hand and may throw one in for 2nd or 3rd cycle.

Feedback on the incremental steps? Wanting to go to 400mg per week max for my first cycle, I know some people recommend lower.
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Hello, blood work before your cycle ? because depend your results it's bad idea to start a cycle.
For a first cycle 200mg of test C are A LOT suffisant but it's my opinion, some people suggest 500 for a first cycle.

Why 200? a test level from a heathly man are estimated at 80mg / week of test E or C, so with 200 you have normally around 1100 to 1300ng of total test, it's a lot suffisant if you have a proper diet / training and a good hygien of life in generaly ;-)

I hope a good cycle for you !
Be safe and take care (^_^)
 
Actin myosin said:
Week 12 of test C only cycle

Bloods
- Free test 1663 pmol/L (220-680)
- SHBG 19 nmol (13-48)
- Prolactin 316 (55-380)
- Estradiol 271 (male <160)
- LDL 3.8
- Haematocrit 0.49 (0.4 - 0.52)
LFTs normal. eGFR and creatinine normal
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I think your LDL are elevated, same for estradiol, thanks god your hematocrit are good.

Drop your test to 200mg / week
If you plan NPP, start with 50mg twice week :

100mg test c + 50mg npp twice week
Nolvadex 10mg daily for 4 weeks and blood work.

Normally when the Nolva work your lose some water retention made from estradiol.
Try to have a good cardio session for helping your heart, with a good diet, your goal are to reduce the LDL and i'm sure your HDL are surely very low too...
 
lundgren said:
Hello, blood work before your cycle ? because depend your results it's bad idea to start a cycle.
For a first cycle 200mg of test C are A LOT suffisant but it's my opinion, some people suggest 500 for a first cycle.

Why 200? a test level from a heathly man are estimated at 80mg / week of test E or C, so with 200 you have normally around 1100 to 1300ng of total test, it's a lot suffisant if you have a proper diet / training and a good hygien of life in generaly ;-)

I hope a good cycle for you !
Be safe and take care (^_^)
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If you read the log from the beginning you’ll see 3 sets of bloods. Pre cycle, week 4 and week 12 of being on test C 500 mg. Estrogen hasn’t really changed from 300 mg to 500 mg of test. I’m happy at 500 mg for test only but wondering what to change it to when I add NPP
 
Actin myosin said:
If you read the log from the beginning you’ll see 3 sets of bloods. Pre cycle, week 4 and week 12 of being on test C 500 mg. Estrogen hasn’t really changed from 300 mg to 500 mg of test. I’m happy at 500 mg for test only but wondering what to change it to when I add NPP
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Oh sorry !
But your LDL are elevated again ?
If yes you need to change it, think about your health ;-)
Maybe talk about your diet, to have some help.
 
They were elevated pre cycle. Familial hyoercholesterolaemia. Will just chuck in a statin at some point.

Do you have any experience with NPP? honestly just looking for advice around this
 
Burly said:
I think it was before my first beaker coffee :D
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Ahahahah you’re allgood.


So I’ve decided to add NPP at week 14
13 weeks of test only 500mg per week (did start at 300 then 400 for a bit, then by about week 8 bumped to 500)
have added 4.1 kg of skeletal muscle to my frame and bf% has stayed the same

Will pin NPP EOD for 100mg/wk and look to bump to 200mg/wk if I tolerate it well
 
Actin myosin said:
Body scan - 4 kg increase in skeletal muscle in 9 weeks. Sitting at 16% bf
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I wonder how much will be kept. glycogen is an issue.


Actin myosin said:
Ahahahah you’re allgood.


So I’ve decided to add NPP at week 14
13 weeks of test only 500mg per week (did start at 300 then 400 for a bit, then by about week 8 bumped to 500)
have added 4.1 kg of skeletal muscle to my frame and bf% has stayed the same

Will pin NPP EOD for 100mg/wk and look to bump to 200mg/wk if I tolerate it well
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Why extend the cycle? Why not do a cruise inbetween, let your body relax, and re-evaluate the cycle?
 
Actin myosin said:
glycogen is an issue? What are you saying
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Sorry, I should have explained myself. Glycogen may lead an idea of "false lean size gain"

Take it from someone who got over 10 dexa scans on blast...


It is always skewed the more anabolics you run.

I spent plenty of money on it, unless circumstances are exactly the same. It's never accurate.


Best way to do it is probably 2 months into a cruise of the same dose.
 
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