First Cycle, opinions welcome.

[DeXXXLarge]

Hello Everyone,

I'm planning to start my first cycle soon and wanted to know your opinion about my protocol.

A little bit about myself, I'm 27 y/o 5'9 x roughly 185 lbs at 17-18% bf, have 5-6 years of training under my belt, I can say only for the last 2 years I really focused on form and heavy lifting.

My current maxes are :

BB Squat : 320lbs
Bench Press : 245lbs
Deadlift : 450lbs

With that being said, let's move on to the actual protocol...

I was planning to do 400mg of Test E for 16 weeks split into 200mg E3D (Monday/Thursday) + HCG @ 250 IU twice a week for the whole duration of the cycle.
(Was debating to add var at 30mg ED week 12-16 to dry out a little bit, do you think I should stick to test only?)

For AI I was planning to have Aromasin in hand and plan accordingly in case any side might arise.

For PCT I would do HCG week 16-18 @ 500 IU ED followed by Nolva at 40/40/20/20 once the Test has left my body.

Is there anything I'm missing or anything wrong I should change? If so, please do let me know as I'm still a beginner and I'm willing to learn as much as possible.

P.S. I have bloodworks scheduled for next week.

Thanks everyone, wish you a great day.

 

[Deadp007]

I think the var at 30mg is a solid idea (I did double that per day & it thrashed my liver) & the timing & length sound good too.
IDK about the hcg or PCT as I'm on TRT but hopefully you'll get some feedback on that.
(I'm really only responding RE: the anavar).

 

[Rido]

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Hello Everyone,

I'm planning to start my first cycle soon and wanted to know your opinion about my protocol.

A little bit about myself, I'm 27 y/o 5'9 x roughly 185 lbs at 17-18% bf, have 5-6 years of training under my belt, I can say only for the last 2 years I really focused on form and heavy lifting.

My current maxes are :

BB Squat : 320lbs
Bench Press : 245lbs
Deadlift : 450lbs

With that being said, let's move on to the actual protocol...

I was planning to do 400mg of Test E for 16 weeks split into 200mg E3D (Monday/Thursday) + HCG @ 250 IU twice a week for the whole duration of the cycle.
(Was debating to add var at 30mg ED week 12-16 to dry out a little bit, do you think I should stick to test only?)

For AI I was planning to have Aromasin in hand and plan accordingly in case any side might arise.

For PCT I would do HCG week 16-18 @ 500 IU ED followed by Nolva at 40/40/20/20 once the Test has left my body.

Is there anything I'm missing or anything wrong I should change? If so, please do let me know as I'm still a beginner and I'm willing to learn as much as possible.

P.S. I have bloodworks scheduled for next week.

Thanks everyone, wish you a great day.

It wouldn't be bad to try out var at the end of everything is stable. But don't do it for a drying effect... Its only 4 weeks. If you wanna do it as a growth promoter, plateau breaker, or just try it on yourself that is fine.



I would highly advise test c instead of e. Alot of pip issues reported with e and you don't want to learn injections with shit that might cause you an issue

 

[LescoBrandon]

not that maxes mean a whole lot... but if you cant even squat 2x bw after 5-6 years of training... id reevaluate your training first.

no to hcg for the whole cycle. it increases estrogen for some people, not what you want when you dont know how much you aromatize. once you figure out how much test affects your estrogen, sure add it in

 

[DeXXXLarge]

not that maxes mean a whole lot... but if you cant even squat 2x bw after 5-6 years of training... id reevaluate your training first.

no to hcg for the whole cycle. it increases estrogen for some people, not what you want when you dont know how much you aromatize. once you figure out how much test affects your estrogen, sure add it in

My mistake, I think I could've been more clear...

I worked out sporadically for the first 4 years without really focusing on the main compound movements, it's only been since post covid that I started focusing on strength and on SBD.

Regarding HCG, is there any specific timeframe to wait in order to evaluate how much I aromatize?

Thanks.

 

[DeXXXLarge]

I think the var at 30mg is a solid idea (I did double that per day & it thrashed my liver) & the timing & length sound good too.
IDK about the hcg or PCT as I'm on TRT but hopefully you'll get some feedback on that.
(I'm really only responding RE: the anavar).

Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the input.

 

[DeXXXLarge]

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It wouldn't be bad to try out var at the end of everything is stable. But don't do it for a drying effect... Its only 4 weeks. If you wanna do it as a growth promoter, plateau breaker, or just try it on yourself that is fine.



I would highly advise test c instead of e. Alot of pip issues reported with e and you don't want to learn injections with shit that might cause you an issue

I will keep the var in hand and use it accordingly in case I hit a plateau then.

For what concerns the Test C over E, I considered E at first because it looked like it was the choice almost everyone was opting for their first cycle (I might be wrong tho).

Anyway I do appreciate the input, will consider switching to C instead.

Thanks.

 

[Rido]

I will keep the var in hand and use it accordingly in case I hit a plateau then.

For what concerns the Test C over E, I considered E at first because it looked like it was the choice almost everyone was opting for their first cycle (I might be wrong tho).

Anyway I do appreciate the input, will consider switching to C instead.

Thanks.

It's a dated practice and was probably more ideal at one point when there weren't issues with the raws. 10+ years ago

Just search up test e and pip here.

This can cause issues with your cycle.
There is no benefit of e over c other than the fact is can hold a higher concentration.

I gave you a big warning of something that has been going around. It's up to you now.

 

[Deadp007]

I will keep the var in hand and use it accordingly in case I hit a plateau then.

For what concerns the Test C over E, I considered E at first because it looked like it was the choice almost everyone was opting for their first cycle (I might be wrong tho).

Anyway I do appreciate the input, will consider switching to C instead.

Thanks.

No, I think he means var 4 weeks at the end is perfect for strength & hypertrophy..ie you will get a nice push thru any wall you hit, which will also help build muscle.
And he's right about the enanthate being pippy... should really just switch to the cypionate ester.
Your 1rpm's are pretty low, I think @LescoBrandon is saying you might want to get closer to your natural limit before AAS use.
But once you know your natural test levels you can decide that. But you're 27 so fuck it, as long as you PCT well.
You won't know how much you aromatise until you get labs, so definitely want to pull them pre, 4 wks in & post...probably a better protocol on the forum somewhere.

*I'm not a Dr neither am i a IFBB Pro, I really am just some dude on the interwebs & am regurgitating stuff I've read that might be flawed to begin with.

 

[MajesticLab]

200mg test 2x per week is fine for the beginning.

But I would do 20-24 weeks instead of 16.