First cycle questions

[jimheath]

I just want to say I'm new here... so please take it easy on me lol.

My first question would be about the test e dosage. It seems that all the gym and forum bros recommend 500mgs a week, but I've also seen a lot of people recommending only 300ish test per week. As someone who has had experience with sarms (5'11 220ish pounds, pretty soft looking), are my androgen receptors "virgin" enough to see much progress from the lower dose? Or should i just play it by feel the first few weeks?

Also, I am currently on a LGD cycle and thinking of cutting it short to hop on the real sauce. When I stop the cycle, should I be good to just start the test, or do I need to let my androgen receptors "reset"?
thanks

 

[Big_Daddy]

I just want to say I'm new here... so please take it easy on me lol.

My first question would be about the test e dosage. It seems that all the gym and forum bros recommend 500mgs a week, but I've also seen a lot of people recommending only 300ish test per week. As someone who has had experience with sarms (5'11 220ish pounds, pretty soft looking), are my androgen receptors "virgin" enough to see much progress from the lower dose? Or should i just play it by feel the first few weeks?

Also, I am currently on a LGD cycle and thinking of cutting it short to hop on the real sauce. When I stop the cycle, should I be good to just start the test, or do I need to let my androgen receptors "reset"?
thanks

Welcome to Meso! There's a ton of knowledgeable people here. I'd recommend a post in the "New Members" thread if you have not already.

You have the right approach with just asking questions, You'll get a lot or advice. Good and not so good. Do some reading and decide what the good stuff is.

That being said, I have a few general answers. Your idea for a first cycle is good, Always run test first and see how you respond. I would recommend getting your levels checked before, During, And after your first cycle so you have a good baseline.

Second, How soft is soft? Most guys will recommend that you down to about 15% BF before running a cycle. Otherwise you'll blow up and need to do even more serious cutting later. 20% BF is not bodybuilding, Just fat.

SARMS are not even close to AAS. I wouldn't worry about androgen receptors or whatever you've been told. Just testosterone will blow that shit out of the water. However, If you are already somewhat suppressed from SARMS, You may want to take a break. Throwing even 8 weeks of Test on top of that is a recipe for a rough PCT.

As far as test dosages, Sometimes more is less. 300mg isn't a bad cycle. Don't get greedy early. See how you respond, Keep track of everything. Invest in a digital scale.

Good luck.

 

[BigDaddyV]

500 all day.
300 will yield results but if you’re going to dive into the steroid world you may as well go head first. I believe there is benefit to starting low and working your way up with anabolic dosages but for your first cycle there’s no reason to complicate it beyond just two shots a week of 250mg. It’s easy and effective.
You can also stay on the LGD.

 

[FlyGuy3232]

Ya anywhere between 300-500 will give significant results if you're healthy, eat well, train well.

I prefer 400 as a general recommendation but that's just me.

 

[Cashton]

Surprised no one has mentioned the most important thing yet, you can take all the anabolic in the world but if you don’t eat big, you won’t get big. Try to make sure you understand the basics of nutrition, set a goal for your self weather it’s cutting or bulking, find the right caloric intake and make sure too meet your goal everyday.

I would recommend a good starting point of 500, but that’s upto you. How much LGD do you have left ? 300mg of test and say 30-45mg of lgd daily on a nice calorie surplus could be a great bulker.

 

[jimheath]

Welcome to Meso! There's a ton of knowledgeable people here. I'd recommend a post in the "New Members" thread if you have not already.

You have the right approach with just asking questions, You'll get a lot or advice. Good and not so good. Do some reading and decide what the good stuff is.

That being said, I have a few general answers. Your idea for a first cycle is good, Always run test first and see how you respond. I would recommend getting your levels checked before, During, And after your first cycle so you have a good baseline.

Second, How soft is soft? Most guys will recommend that you down to about 15% BF before running a cycle. Otherwise you'll blow up and need to do even more serious cutting later. 20% BF is not bodybuilding, Just fat.

SARMS are not even close to AAS. I wouldn't worry about androgen receptors or whatever you've been told. Just testosterone will blow that shit out of the water. However, If you are already somewhat suppressed from SARMS, You may want to take a break. Throwing even 8 weeks of Test on top of that is a recipe for a rough PCT.

As far as test dosages, Sometimes more is less. 300mg isn't a bad cycle. Don't get greedy early. See how you respond, Keep track of everything. Invest in a digital scale.

Good luck.

Appreciate the welcome! I'm probably around 17 percent atm. I was trying to bulk on my last cycle and took eat big to get big a little too far and just got fat. This lgd cycle I've been mostly just trying to lose the excess and prep for this cycle, but as you said sarms are nothing compared.. so maybe I've just been wasting time.

500 all day.
300 will yield results but if you’re going to dive into the steroid world you may as well go head first. I believe there is benefit to starting low and working your way up with anabolic dosages but for your first cycle there’s no reason to complicate it beyond just two shots a week of 250mg. It’s easy and effective.
You can also stay on the LGD.

Yeah maybe i shouldn't overcomplicate and just KISS. And since its my first cycle id rather just run the test on its own so I know what is doing what for me.

 

[jimheath]

Ya anywhere between 300-500 will give significant results if you're healthy, eat well, train well.

I prefer 400 as a general recommendation but that's just me.

I think ill start with 300-350 and play by feel and maybe go up as i feel necessary. i just don't want to take more than I really needed and then have it all aromatize and then worry about eating ais like candy to prevent nipple tits.

Surprised no one has mentioned the most important thing yet, you can take all the anabolic in the world but if you don’t eat big, you won’t get big. Try to make sure you understand the basics of nutrition, set a goal for your self weather it’s cutting or bulking, find the right caloric intake and make sure too meet your goal everyday.

I would recommend a good starting point of 500, but that’s upto you. How much LGD do you have left ? 300mg of test and say 30-45mg of lgd daily on a nice calorie surplus could be a great bulker.

I don't have a lot of the lgd and planned to just do the test to really get a feel for how I react to it. But im not completely new to training, probably about 3 years under my belt.. i just lack any experience with the juice other than things ive read or watched.

 

[Test_Subject]

Before you even start a cycle, make sure that you have your diet and training nailed down. Taking AAS without perfecting those basics is like trying to build a mansion on a rotten foundation -- it's not going to stay beautiful for very long.

Once you've got those dialed in, as @Big_Daddy said, get baseline bloodwork done before your cycle. I assume that you'll be doing PCT, so without baseline bloodwork you won't know if you've recovered properly after your PCT.

Once you have all of that done, anywhere in the 250-500 test range is fine. I'd do 500, personally, because if you're going to shut your natural test production down you might as well make the most of it, but you'll see good gains on 300 if you're doing everything right.

Good luck!

 

[Cashton]

I think ill start with 300-350 and play by feel and maybe go up as i feel necessary. i just don't want to take more than I really needed and then have it all aromatize and then worry about eating ais like candy to prevent nipple tits.

I don't have a lot of the lgd and planned to just do the test to really get a feel for how I react to it. But im not completely new to training, probably about 3 years under my belt.. i just lack any experience with the juice other than things ive read or watched.

In my opinion the aromatization stuff is way overblown the the bro’s out there, and you would have to be very unlucky to require an AI on 350mg of test.

 

[BigDaddyV]

As others are saying diet and training is more important I guess I assumed you know how to train and eat since you’re ready to use gear but these days a lot of people start using AAS their first week in the gym lmao
Use the gear to motivate you to try harder because you’ll get way more out of it. I recommend pushing your reps beyond what you’ve done so far. For example I see people doing tricep pushdowns and just doing 3 sets of 10-12. I personally think that’s a waste of time, with the hormones you will have the capability to recover better than ever so take advantage of that and push your body to failure or atleast really damn close. I did tricep pushdowns yesterday and did 3 sets the first I did 53 reps then 46 then 39 followed by drop sets. Don’t limit yourself, you are now a super human and I recommend you act as such.

 

[Munky]

I just want to say I'm new here... so please take it easy on me lol.

My first question would be about the test e dosage. It seems that all the gym and forum bros recommend 500mgs a week, but I've also seen a lot of people recommending only 300ish test per week. As someone who has had experience with sarms (5'11 220ish pounds, pretty soft looking), are my androgen receptors "virgin" enough to see much progress from the lower dose? Or should i just play it by feel the first few weeks?

Also, I am currently on a LGD cycle and thinking of cutting it short to hop on the real sauce. When I stop the cycle, should I be good to just start the test, or do I need to let my androgen receptors "reset"?
thanks

Get blood work done and see what you are at , if it’s a quality sarm it will alter your test levels, in Canada we have some great quality gear and sarms , I was running test enth with rad 140 and it has a synergistic effect for recovery and vascularity with rad 140 and strength in the gym is noticed, I put tons of gear in my body’ over years and was sceptical about sarms , I did research and I ran mk677 which adds to natural gh and doesn’t shut down natural gh but enhances it and economically more realistic and the science and research is proof that it works assuming it’s a good lab , if you want a reliable non biased non profit opinion on sarms check out Gregg doucette on YouTube, of course sarms are not as powerful as anabolic steroids but slowly gaining occurs and the health risks are not as bad , it’s healthy I feel to bridge sarms between cycles and keep working out hard and keep body healthy, like everything else all ped enhancing supplements effect each individual diffierently and the quality and lab are factors as well , you should be able to tell what dosage you need after blood work and then try again for blood work in a month or something, I’m not disagreeing with anyone but hell ya keep running rad 140 even if you start poking gear I can’t see it hurting you , they attach to different receptors and I believe are synergistic like growth hormone is with steroids, talk to a physician and see what the actual level of test is , if your test is higher naturally then don’t bother wasting your money till you really hit a wall , but
I’m not here to tell you what to do and I’m not a doctor these are just opinions always consult your physician , blood work can be ordered through private clinics and totally confidential, maybe you are low then you can go get your doctor to prescription point , but highly unlikely you are low , some doctors are pro hormone and will write up a percription , but technically they need a real reason but money talks and b.s walks , I would find a private lab for blood work, your doctor would probably get pissed off and tell ya to stop if you are on a ped, cheers from the land of ice and snow