First cycle, Take a look

[superman15]

Ok this is my first cycle. I have used 1- ad and 4-ad a couple cycles(legal supps), i am 18years old, 4 years lifting experience,about 6'3,205 lbs. I have done a lot of research and i am sure that this is what gear i am wanting to use.I am going to be on a bulk(obviously). I know it might seem kinda low dose but its my first cycle so i dont want to overdo it.If there is any other info that would be helpful that would help base your opinions, please tell me.

week 1-10 250mg sustanon (inject monday)

week 1-9 200mg Deca (inject thursday)

week 1-4 35mg Dbol (Every Day)

PCT (Phreezers Sticky)


Please, your opinions are appreciated.

 

[Grizzly]

Don't take this as me being mean...your injects are ass backwards(IMO) and you're too young and WAAAAYYYYY too small to be thinking about juice. Once again, JMO, but it's correct.

 

[Biggriz]

Dude, if your gonna do it keep it simple. Sustanon is NOT for beginners and requires more than one inject per week. Deca will shut you down HARD and is not recommended for beginners as well...get your PCT down first before using deca.
With that said, I'd do a single ester Test, such as cyp or enanthate at 500mg per week in two divided injects, and some D-bol - 35mg per day for first four weeks. I'd also use A-dex during the cycle, have nolva and clomid on hand BEFORE starting.
But I've also gotta bump GRIZZ...why rush into this when you haven't reached or come close to your genetic potential naturally. Get to 220 lbs.The wait may seem difficult at the time but it will pay BIG dividends down the road..trust us.

 

[Chip Bronson]

listen to grizz. too young and waaaay too small at 205lbs and 6'3". and even if you did your cycle you wouldn't end up with much gains. you'd make gains the first month off the dbol and then you're system would shut down and you'd lose it all by the cycle's end. and you'd need some good pct to get you're nuts going after 9 weeks of deca.

 

[Deacon]

I agree you are to young but in case you go ahead anyway I would suggest cyp or enth and run it alone at 500 mgs per week for 10 weeks.

the cycle you have listed is not a good first cycle for anyone - I would strongly suggest you wait but as I sadi if you must at least be smarter about it.

 

[eleven11]

At 18 your body's still producing more than enough Test for you to get bigger. Pick one of lifting programs in the training thread and start eating 5-6 good meals per day and YOU WILL GROW. At 205 you have ALOT of room to grow. I know it's hard not to want it now but you will grow better now without the juice if you will train hard and EAT..........11

 

[Big Trav]

I agree with eleven. You really need to hold off on the gear and hit it hard with the diet(high calorie and protein) and heavy weights. If you don't have a solid foundation before you start juicin, your never going to make any solid gains. I've seen it time and time again, you get these guys who just start a cycle, with really no real muscle to speak of...they gain 15-25 pounds on the cycle, then come off and lose 20-30 pounds. Not trying to flame you bro, just my opinion.

 

[superman15]

I have been training for four years, i have tried so hard to gain more weight but it just isnt happening. I do eat 5-6 meals a day. I keep my self full the whole day. i have been stuck at this weight for probably the past year or so. i really think i cant grow any more than i have been. And according to my research, correct me if i may of mistaken anything, but sustanon has less side effects than test enanthate alone. I know what deca does, If your telling me that i shouldnt take it, then what gives you the special privelege to be taking it. I am wanting to take one good cycle to get my way past this terrible plateau and then stay away from them for the next couple years or so.

 

[superman15]

Does this look better. If i switch the sustanon with 500mg test enanthate and switch deca with EQ 200mg.

 

[eleven11]

I have been training for four years, i have tried so hard to gain more weight but it just isnt happening. I do eat 5-6 meals a day. I keep my self full the whole day. i have been stuck at this weight for probably the past year or so. i really think i cant grow any more than i have been. And according to my research, correct me if i may of mistaken anything, but sustanon has less side effects than test enanthate alone. I know what deca does, If your telling me that i shouldnt take it, then what gives you the special privelege to be taking it. I am wanting to take one good cycle to get my way past this terrible plateau and then stay away from them for the next couple years or so.

I understand what your going thru. If your eating good and your at a plateau it might be something in your training, I don't know what it's like. But maybe something new might get you past your sticking point. If your going to do a cycle anyway then do at least 500 su, 250 twice a week, but you really should try to see if it's in your training first. I'm not sure what else to say but you do what is best for you, and don't be afraid of posting more ? there are plenty of guys on here that will try to help.........11

 

[eleven11]

Does this look better. If i switch the sustanon with 500mg test enanthate and switch deca with EQ 200mg.

I like EQ ( 400mg ) better than deca.......11

 

[superman15]

thanks for advice eleven. This statement isnt directed toward anyone specifically but I just wanted to say that how in the hell am i to small. I weigh 205 lbs. About half the people on this board are only about 180 lbs. I have studied alot and i would just appreciate it if i could get some positive feedback. IMO it doesnt matter what age you are at, if you are taking aas then you are prone to suffering the same side effects. So please just help me out instead of flaming me. No matter what i am going to take aas, i am on this board so i can get advice so i can do it as safely and effectively as possible. Thanks

 

[AirBorne]

thanks for advice eleven. This statement isnt directed toward anyone specifically but I just wanted to say that how in the hell am i to small. I weigh 205 lbs. About half the people on this board are only about 180 lbs. I have studied alot and i would just appreciate it if i could get some positive feedback. IMO it doesnt matter what age you are at, if you are taking aas then you are prone to suffering the same side effects. So please just help me out instead of flaming me. No matter what i am going to take aas, i am on this board so i can get advice so i can do it as safely and effectively as possible. Thanks

No one is flaming you. EVERYONE is trying to tell you that using AAS this young would be a mistake. I dont care if you weighed 265 lbs, being 18 years old, your natural test levels are extrememly high. and you say you did all kinds of research?! well if youd did, you would know that your test levels are already high as hell, and that taking 250 mg of sust per week with one inject on a monday is a big mistake. but yes, you are going to do what you want to. my horse is on his first cycle or 500 mg/week of test enantat and dbol @ 35 mg/day, and he is making great gains. granted, if he were still an 18 year old horse, I would make him wait a few more years. with pretty much everyone telling you to wait, wouldnt you think that they know what they are talking about? its not like one or 2 people are telling you its too early...everyone is! and its for a reason...its for your safety and overall long term benefits! if you are going to choose to do AAS, you just need to do more research! there is so much to learn and hangin around the board will help you.

 

[superman15]

Well i dont understand, if my testosterone levels are already so high, then why in the hell am i not gaining worth shit. I have tried every kind of training, light to heavy. I cant eat any more than i already do in a day. I stay at home sometimes just so i can get my quota of calories and protein for the day. My dad weighs 195 right now, that is his top weight(i dont know if that would help with anything). When i started working out i slammed on 30 lbs naturally the first year. then after that everything stopped in its tracks. I used to be bigger than just about everyone in my grade. Now i have been working out consistently for the next 3 years and everyone is catching up to me, and most of them dont even work out consistently or have a diet. I just feel like i am wasting my time in the gym now. I really see no point in working out since i havent gained nothing in forever. Help me out. I want to take some kind of a cycle with Dbol.

 

[Grizzly]

If you've been 205lbs for more than 2 weeks, YOU ARE NOT EATING ENOUGH. That's all there is to it. End of story, no arguments are possible. When in the pursuit of more weight, you SHOULD be gaining weight. Why? Because you will be eating enough to atleast get fat. Be it muscle or fat, you will gain weight if you're eating enough. By your own admission, you haven't put on any weight in 3 years. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder where the problem could possibly be?

 

[superman15]

ok, so if that is true, then why do any of you want to take steroids? All you have to do is eat enough and you will gain weight. How do you know that you have hit your genetic potential instead of not taking in enough calories.

 

[Grizzly]

Because if you're not gaining ANY weight it's a simple function of not eating enough. It's plain and simple.

 

[Deacon]

Because if you're not gaining ANY weight it's a simple function of not eating enough. It's plain and simple.

take all of the juice in the world and all of the supplemets you want - but bottom line is if the diet and calories is not there you still wont gain shit - gear is not a magical wand - I bet you do not eat enough and also overtrain - I would just bet on it

 

[bigkb]

I think the key word in this entire argument is...potential. Superman, at 18 years old, you still have the potential to gain more size naturally. I'm assuming you are just like me...the classic hardgainer. I have a very fast metabolism. It is extemely hard for me to gain muscle, and very easy to lose it.

When I was 18, I weighed about 170 lbs. I'm 6' tall. I didn't start using steroids until about 3 years ago. I'm 34 now. When I started using them I weighed around 235 lbs off-cycle. I'm not saying that you should wait until you're in your 30s to start using. My point is, that I am glad that I waited some time before using them, because I gained about 65 more lbs naturally first.

Take the pro bodybuilders for example. If they were to stop using steroids, they would not shrink down to 200lbs, they would still be very big. That's because they all waited until they reached their natural size limit. If you start using steroids now at this young of an age, you are highly likely to end up very disappointed. Steroids have their own limits too. You will do your first cycle, then most likely end up right back at the same weight you were when you started.

Anyone can gain weight, no matter how fast their metabolism is. Like Grizzly and others have said, if you are not gaining weight, you need to make some adjustments in either your eating, training, rest or all 3. You also need to be sure you are trying as best you can not to do anything that will put you in a state of catabolism.

Another thing is, you said that you gained about 30 lbs in a relatively short period of time back when you started training. Well, that happens with all hardgainers. It is very typical to gain 20 or 30 lbs very quickly in the first year, then suddenly finding that gaining just 5 lbs afterwards seems like an impossibility. That is normal. This is when it's time start making the adjustments in the factors I mentioned above.

Gaining weight for the hard gainer takes a tremendous amount of dedication, hard work, determination, SANITY and more than anything else...knowledge.

Wait for at least a few more years. You have a long way to go. I hope this helps bro. I was where you are at now. I know just how hard it is.

KB

 

[Big Trav]

Superman, you keep saying you are eating enough and not over training...post how many calories, carbs, protein, etc, and your training schedule...it might be something as simple as that. No one here wants to flame you, we are trying to help you, because alot of us were once in the same boat as yourself.