charlie1432
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Thanks for the help in advance.
Intro Post
First Cycle, please see my intro for more details. I am a no test low test hypogonadism from military blast guy beginning blast and cruise.
Purpose of Cycle:
Main reason is to help with physique. I would like to get lean and hard - on the drier side for me. Would really like to see the fat melt off the mid-section.
Headed to the beach in a bit and working the end of a second cut. I had 12 weeks when I started, currently have 8 weeks left. I would like to lose 6-8 pounds. At the end of this I will find my cruising dose, and depending on the success of the cut, look at bulking late fall (Octoberish) on a blast.
I also wanted to start getting some experience with managing my hormones to prepare for future cycles.
My Stats:
40+ male
6'4"
216lbs
18'ish % BF - see pics in intro.
Been lifting for years. Started at 167lbs, got to 245lbs.
Start of Cycle and Labs:
4 weeks ago I started 200mg/ml EW Test-C.
I pin daily - primarily shallow IM, with a 2 days of subq.
I rotate ventrogluteal, quads, delts, pecks, lats, triceps, and subq stomach.
I know I don't need 200mg EW to cut - it's been a while since I've had test and I wanted a bit more of cruise+, slightly super physiological.
Just got my labs back after 4 weeks of starting the cycle:
Estradio : 80 pg/ml | *** 10-50 pg/ml
Prolactin : 30.1 ng/ml | *** < 20 ng/ml
Total Test : 1452 ng/dl | *** 70-1070 ng/dl
SHBG : 14.6 nmol/L | *** 10-57 nmol/L
Free Androgen Index : 345.1 null | *** 30-150
Baseline labs:
Estradio : 24 pg/ml
Prolactin : 27.2 ng/ml
Total Test : 0.7 ng/dl
Symptoms:
Libido, mood, and lifts are great.
I *might have slightly spicy nips sometimes . Not sure how much it's me just watching them.
Questions:
I've read a few post and seen people running high estrogen levels when super physiological and gathered its more about the ratio of test/estrogen.
My labs above are from lets get checked, I have other labs through my provider that present a more full panel of blood work prior to starting.
Should I be concerned about the ratio of T/E. I have aromasin and nolva on hand. But would prefer to save them for a real blast. I would really like to run anything under 300mg Test without AI based on what I've read here. Part of my wanting to hold back on them is I'm trying to watch my lipids. I just started a statin. I'm not worried about running bad lipids short term - been running them bad my whole life, would just rather run bad lipids for a bulk with better blasting doses than to run essentially a TRT dose - or to sweeten the cut with anavar. I'll would rather run bad lipids for better reward risk ratio than just to moderate slightly elevated estrogen on a TRT+ dose.. But want your opinions.
Options I'm considering:
1) You rig it you ride it. Continue as is 200mg Test-C EW for 8 more weeks. I've read here that not playing with doses helps the most with hormone fluctuations. At the end, drop the dose to 125mg to cruise afterwards for 12 weeks and draw a full panel 4 weeks into cruise.
2) I have Mast E on hand and brewed. (Supposed - failed roidtest but sent for identification to Jano. I believe the roidtest is faulty.) I have read that Masteron has some estrogen blocking effect, minimal. I've read here that many run it on their TRT dose even if they are 'too fat' to get the real hardening results, but end with a better physique...
a) add 200mg Mast E to my 200mg Test-C and call this more of a blast, draw labs in 4 weeks.
b) drop test down to 100mg and add 100mg Mast E, again draw labs in 4 weeks.
3) Any suggestions you might have, open to just dropping down to a better cruising dose - I get it, this is cut. Cutting happens with food not test.. I also have (supposed - sent for testing) NPP and anavar on hand. The NPP is more for a few cycles down the road - plus I have a lot of older lifter joint pains, and the anavar I have thought about adding it into the cut for the last 4-6 weeks, and possibly for bridging cycles as well in the future, but wanted to get a base line first.
Supplements:
P5P - just started taking for the prolactin
Statin
BP medicine
Creatine, Beta-Aline, Citrus Mallate, Cialis 5mg
MK-677 25mg at night
Workout:
3 days on 1 off split with an (A and B)
- I track all sets / reps, pick a weight I can the minimum rep range of and increase when I get the max range across all sets.
A has super sets, 5-7 sets x 5-7 reps with 2 minutes of rest between sets
B is 10 reps by 10-12 sets with 1 minute of rest
Nutrition:
I use my Apple Watch to get my BMR and TDEE. I think the BMR is pretty accurate. The TDEE I don't always agree with. Currently my BMR is 2400cals a day and my apple TDEE is 3400cals a day. My adjusted TDEE based on tracking my calories and weight is 3000cals a day. Currently eating 24-2600 calories a day and 220grams of protein a day.
I am slowly bumping up my cardio - been doing some rowing (20 minutes eod) and walking a mile a day. Trying not to let my calories drop below 2000.
Results So Far:
I began cutting in December, ran a longer cut, and then a reset. I dropped from 235lbs to 208lbs by the end of the reset. I started this cut at 208lbs. However, between the Test and The MK, I shot up to 214lbs in the first 2 weeks. 2 weeks later I'm up to 216lbs.
MK generally makes me put on 5-6 pounds of water. I feel fairly confident all 8 pounds is pretty much water between the test and the MK. In the past month my abs are starting to come out, and my shoulders and arms look bigger. This might end up being more of a recomp than a cut. But... I think the water wait should stabilize now.. and we will keep you posted.
I take measurements of arms, chest, waist, hips, and thighs..
I'll keep you posted and appreciate any feedback.. Especially on the labs, doses, and planning.
Intro Post
First Cycle, please see my intro for more details. I am a no test low test hypogonadism from military blast guy beginning blast and cruise.
Purpose of Cycle:
Main reason is to help with physique. I would like to get lean and hard - on the drier side for me. Would really like to see the fat melt off the mid-section.
Headed to the beach in a bit and working the end of a second cut. I had 12 weeks when I started, currently have 8 weeks left. I would like to lose 6-8 pounds. At the end of this I will find my cruising dose, and depending on the success of the cut, look at bulking late fall (Octoberish) on a blast.
I also wanted to start getting some experience with managing my hormones to prepare for future cycles.
My Stats:
40+ male
6'4"
216lbs
18'ish % BF - see pics in intro.
Been lifting for years. Started at 167lbs, got to 245lbs.
Start of Cycle and Labs:
4 weeks ago I started 200mg/ml EW Test-C.
I pin daily - primarily shallow IM, with a 2 days of subq.
I rotate ventrogluteal, quads, delts, pecks, lats, triceps, and subq stomach.
I know I don't need 200mg EW to cut - it's been a while since I've had test and I wanted a bit more of cruise+, slightly super physiological.
Just got my labs back after 4 weeks of starting the cycle:
Estradio : 80 pg/ml | *** 10-50 pg/ml
Prolactin : 30.1 ng/ml | *** < 20 ng/ml
Total Test : 1452 ng/dl | *** 70-1070 ng/dl
SHBG : 14.6 nmol/L | *** 10-57 nmol/L
Free Androgen Index : 345.1 null | *** 30-150
Baseline labs:
Estradio : 24 pg/ml
Prolactin : 27.2 ng/ml
Total Test : 0.7 ng/dl
Symptoms:
Libido, mood, and lifts are great.
I *might have slightly spicy nips sometimes . Not sure how much it's me just watching them.
Questions:
I've read a few post and seen people running high estrogen levels when super physiological and gathered its more about the ratio of test/estrogen.
My labs above are from lets get checked, I have other labs through my provider that present a more full panel of blood work prior to starting.
Should I be concerned about the ratio of T/E. I have aromasin and nolva on hand. But would prefer to save them for a real blast. I would really like to run anything under 300mg Test without AI based on what I've read here. Part of my wanting to hold back on them is I'm trying to watch my lipids. I just started a statin. I'm not worried about running bad lipids short term - been running them bad my whole life, would just rather run bad lipids for a bulk with better blasting doses than to run essentially a TRT dose - or to sweeten the cut with anavar. I'll would rather run bad lipids for better reward risk ratio than just to moderate slightly elevated estrogen on a TRT+ dose.. But want your opinions.
Options I'm considering:
1) You rig it you ride it. Continue as is 200mg Test-C EW for 8 more weeks. I've read here that not playing with doses helps the most with hormone fluctuations. At the end, drop the dose to 125mg to cruise afterwards for 12 weeks and draw a full panel 4 weeks into cruise.
2) I have Mast E on hand and brewed. (Supposed - failed roidtest but sent for identification to Jano. I believe the roidtest is faulty.) I have read that Masteron has some estrogen blocking effect, minimal. I've read here that many run it on their TRT dose even if they are 'too fat' to get the real hardening results, but end with a better physique...
a) add 200mg Mast E to my 200mg Test-C and call this more of a blast, draw labs in 4 weeks.
b) drop test down to 100mg and add 100mg Mast E, again draw labs in 4 weeks.
3) Any suggestions you might have, open to just dropping down to a better cruising dose - I get it, this is cut. Cutting happens with food not test.. I also have (supposed - sent for testing) NPP and anavar on hand. The NPP is more for a few cycles down the road - plus I have a lot of older lifter joint pains, and the anavar I have thought about adding it into the cut for the last 4-6 weeks, and possibly for bridging cycles as well in the future, but wanted to get a base line first.
Supplements:
P5P - just started taking for the prolactin
Statin
BP medicine
Creatine, Beta-Aline, Citrus Mallate, Cialis 5mg
MK-677 25mg at night
Workout:
3 days on 1 off split with an (A and B)
- I track all sets / reps, pick a weight I can the minimum rep range of and increase when I get the max range across all sets.
A has super sets, 5-7 sets x 5-7 reps with 2 minutes of rest between sets
B is 10 reps by 10-12 sets with 1 minute of rest
Nutrition:
I use my Apple Watch to get my BMR and TDEE. I think the BMR is pretty accurate. The TDEE I don't always agree with. Currently my BMR is 2400cals a day and my apple TDEE is 3400cals a day. My adjusted TDEE based on tracking my calories and weight is 3000cals a day. Currently eating 24-2600 calories a day and 220grams of protein a day.
I am slowly bumping up my cardio - been doing some rowing (20 minutes eod) and walking a mile a day. Trying not to let my calories drop below 2000.
Results So Far:
I began cutting in December, ran a longer cut, and then a reset. I dropped from 235lbs to 208lbs by the end of the reset. I started this cut at 208lbs. However, between the Test and The MK, I shot up to 214lbs in the first 2 weeks. 2 weeks later I'm up to 216lbs.
MK generally makes me put on 5-6 pounds of water. I feel fairly confident all 8 pounds is pretty much water between the test and the MK. In the past month my abs are starting to come out, and my shoulders and arms look bigger. This might end up being more of a recomp than a cut. But... I think the water wait should stabilize now.. and we will keep you posted.
I take measurements of arms, chest, waist, hips, and thighs..
I'll keep you posted and appreciate any feedback.. Especially on the labs, doses, and planning.
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