First Cycle Test E Anavar thoughts,comments,concerns

[gcaw1990]

Looking to do my first cycle. I am 6'2 190lbs.
I am looking to add some nice clean and lean muscle mass without compromising my figure or getting too bulky. I am an avid lifter, runner and swimmer and am looking to make progress in all three areas. I plan on eating to bulk the first 5 weeks followed by a diet fit for cutting (less carbs to no carbs) the last 5 weeks
I have a total of a 16 week plan in place.
week 1 800mg test E (split into two injections, mon&thur) front load
week 2-10 400mg Test E (again 200mg injections mon&thur)
week 4-10 Var 60mg ed
week 4-10 arimadex .5mg eod
week 5-10 HCG 250 iu 2 times a week (is this overkill?)
week 13-16 Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20
My questions are:
How does this cycle look for the begging per user?
Should i consider using HCG or is it overkill?
Do i need to use climid and nolva or would you suggest using one or the other for pct?
Anyother suggestions or advice is incredibly welcome!

I am open to any and all criticism, it only makes you better
thanks everyone!

 

[pittbox]

I like it, im not a fan of front loading but a lot of guys hear do it.
I would suggest that you bulk or cut,trying to do both in one cycle would be counterproductive imo.

Considering the gains from your first cycle are usually always outstanding, and not wanting to sell yourself short,
I would BULK, with your activity level and 400mg test+var, you're not going to get fat.
Thats my 2 cents, good luck.

 

[viking23]

Bulk for your first time. No hcg for this basic of a cycle. Only use one serm. And start var three weeks later and run it up to pct. So weeks 7-13 you will run var. Good luck op and happy gaining

 

[jets]

Looks like you've done your homework. The only thing I may suggest changing is running HCG from the first injection not starting it 5 weeks in. Many suggest for your first cycle you don't need to run hcg but if you have it run it! Use both nolva and clomid at the doses you have written down. Should make for a great first cycle and recovery.

 

[cvictorg]

Check your lipids before you start and after you finish as the anavar might cause bad changes in the lipids - especially lower HDL and higher LDL.

BTW - since this is your first cycle how old are you?

 

[Gunrunner]

I would drop the Var for the first cycle but if you do decide to use it I wouldn't use it so long. Give your liver a break and just run it the last 4 weeks. Also, just do a bulk cycle now. Your next cycle, and there's always a next cycle, can be a cut one.

 

[Gunrunner]

week 13-16 Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Do i need to use climid and nolva or would you suggest using one or the other for pct?

Clomid sucks. It works for PCT but it makes you want to sit and cry while watching Lifetime TV and eating Bon-Bons. I would cut the clomid way down. Something like this:
Clomid 50/50/50/25
Nolva 40/30/20/10

 

[viking23]

^ Listen to my boy gun. He is on point. Although, if you only run var the 4 weeks I would still use it as a bridge to pct. So weeks 9-13.

 

[baseballstud123]

no need for hcg if anything use it with your pct not on cycle

 

[Blast]

IMO on your first cycle at 6'2'' 190lbs you should be running Test E only...drop the Var. Run Test E at 500 a week. Most ppl will say you need to do 2 pins per week on Test E but that is bullshit. 1 pin @ 500mg Test E is perfectly fine and will produce the same results as 2 pins per week. Save the scar tissue for when you are ready for more advanced cycles

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

IMO on your first cycle at 6'2'' 190lbs you should be running Test E only...drop the Var. Run Test E at 500 a week. Most ppl will say you need to do 2 pins per week on Test E but that is bullshit. 1 pin @ 500mg Test E is perfectly fine and will produce the same results as 2 pins per week. Save the scar tissue for when you are ready for more advanced cycles

Sure, you could pin once a week but why?? Less frequent pinning leads to unstable levels which increases sides.. Not gonna get much scar tissue on 2 pins a week man..

 

[gcaw1990]

Wow, just want to say thank you for the abundance of responses everyone. Much appreciated. I am 24 (college student), using for performance enhancing in competitive sports. Running test e to minimize my detection times (3 months or so I've read). I plan on going from one glute to the other in hopes of not having to deal with scar tissue and minimize any pain that may occur. I will bulk! And if anything i will just cut off cycle with diet. I just do not want to get too weighted down in the water for swimming or to heavy on the body for running. However from what I've read i believe that whatever you do on cycle will be benefited, so if i swim run and lift on cycle all will be benefited, please correct if i am wrong. A friend of mine who has done many many cycles claims this is also true. Also i would assume that my cardio activity would prevent any extra fat gain, imo. correct me if wrong.
So revised plan...
test e weeks 1-10
var weeks 9-13
for pct i will be cautious about how i feel, and if i find myself watching golden girls and eating bon bons... ill lower my dosage haha. Could i just run nolva? another friend of mine just ran sus+deca for 10 weeks and pct with 2ml nova the first week and 1ml of nolva the rest (he said ml so I'm not sure of the dosage mg)

again thanks everyone for your overwhelming responses. Glad to hear I am on the right track (a lot of jack wagons who post questions think they know it all already, i do not!)
oh for the hcg, it will probably rely on how much i get my cycle for. if its not needed and i can save a little extra cash then i will save my money and use it for a cycle in the future.
cheers!

 

[gcaw1990]

Oh once i start the cycle i will probably post some pics on this same thread, since it is in the "cycle log" category. Looking to pin for the first time after vacation at the end febuary. i think i have written down the 24th in my cycle plan i have laid out.

 

[viking23]

Watch the var on your joints. Can dry them out allowing for potential injury. Also absolutely not with deca. DECA lingers for almost two years on some people so if you get tested that's out of question. Maybe npp is different.

Also don't use sust, either go with test e or p. Nice thing about p is that it clears your system in 4 days and urine in about two weeks opposed to the three months with test e/c if I'm not mistakened.

 

[gcaw1990]

prop was my first option. however being that it was my first time with pinning i did not want to have to pin ed/eod. I also had heard it can hurt like a bitch. My boy pinned his calf with prop, had a pimp walk for a week!! really funny though! I chose the var over winny. I may just end up dropping the var depending on the price and availability locally. Would you guys say pep is a good place if my local guy is out?

 

[Blast]

Sure, you could pin once a week but why?? Less frequent pinning leads to unstable levels which increases sides.. Not gonna get much scar tissue on 2 pins a week man..

This has been debated at nauseum for many years. There is little difference in levels pinning once a week vs twice a week with an ester like E. Sure he can break the dosage up and pin twice a week but its not necessary and will not improve his gains IMO.

 

[Gunrunner]

^ Listen to my boy gun. He is on point. Although, if you only run var the 4 weeks I would still use it as a bridge to pct. So weeks 9-13.

You have to finish the Var before you start the PCT. So, if PCT starts at week 13 then you better have finished the Var no later than week 12. Var is not that strong but it will keep you shut down and if you use it the first week of PCT then you are messing the timing all up and first week of PCT would be useless.