First Cycle w PEP Test Prop (2 on / 2 or 4 off)

[radcon]

First Cycle – 2 on / 2 or 4 off for 2-3 cycles with Testosterone Propionate from PEP.

-400 mg/wk of Test prop. EOD injections at 100mg per.
-Pinning with 27g ½” Insulin syringe
-Will take .5mg of arimidex every other day opposite of Test injections.

Oct. 24 Day 1 - 100
Oct. 26 Day 3 - 100
Oct. 28 Day 5 - 100
Oct .30 Day 7 - 200
Nov.1 Day 9 - 100
Nov.3 Day 11 - 100
Nov. 5 Day 13 – 100

I should have hcg and nolvadex on hand but don’t currently have them (Waiting on GE-TM). I'd like to have them just in case but not too worried since many indicate that they’re not necessary on this kind of a cycle. If they ever come, I might try them on the 2nd 2 week cycle and see if I notice a difference.

Goals:
This is experimental cycling for me. I’m not concerned with putting on 25 lbs or anything. I’m hoping to get stronger, put on a little weight and see how it makes me feel and would love it if my appetite increased – even if just by placebo.

Pre Cycle Labs:
Total Test: 693 ng/dl (348-1197)
Free Test %: 1.3 % (1.5-3.0) LOW
Free Test: 90 pg/ml (52-280)
Tot Estrogens: 111 pg/ml (40-115) - on the high end

 

[radcon]

Day 1 Oct 24 - injected 50mg into right quad at 1pm and 50mg into left quad at 7pm.
This was my very first time injecting myself with a needle as well as with Test and wanted to just try a little first to make sure I didn't have some weird reaction or something was crazy wrong with the substance I was injecting. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.

Day 2 Oct 25 - Felt a slight sensitivity to my right nipple starting around 2pm - increased slightly throughout the day and right lower pec is very mildly tender. Very glad my arimidex is coming tomorrow. Right and left quads are quite sore today - pretty annoying but tolerable.

Day 3 Oct 26 - Took about .7mg of arimidex around noon. Injected 100mg Test into right glute about 1pm. Hoping glute doesn't get as sore as quads got. They are still pretty sore today. Right nipple as of current time is feeling a little less sensitive. Hoping it's just first cycle paranoia and anxiety. Also wondering if starting with high-ish estrogen levels makes a person more susceptible to this kind of thing. Would stand to reason.

 

[Oregongearhead]

One thing I can just about guarantee you , gyno will not show up in 2 days off 50mg of prop ,lol. Those sensitive nipples are probably from you squeezing them,lol. Don't squeeze them ......I've seen this a hundred times. Paranoia will destroy ya !! If you got good adex it will take care of the high estro....OGH

 

[radcon]

It was 100mg but yeah, I'm assuming you're right. Mostly assuming I'm being paranoid and it'll put my mind at ease getting going on the arimidex. It wasn't that I was poking or messing with my nipples, just kind of felt like my shirt was a little more "scratchy" than usual and was only on the right side - kind of came out of nowhere but pretty mild. I'm not too worried but better to be careful than reckless.

One thing I can just about guarantee you , gyno will not show up in 2 days off 50mg of prop ,lol. Those sensitive nipples are probably from you squeezing them,lol. Don't squeeze them ......I've seen this a hundred times. Paranoia will destroy ya !! If you got good adex it will take care of the high estro....OGH

 

[TaoPhD]

It was 100mg but yeah, I'm assuming you're right. Mostly assuming I'm being paranoid and it'll put my mind at ease getting going on the arimidex. It wasn't that I was poking or messing with my nipples, just kind of felt like my shirt was a little more "scratchy" than usual and was only on the right side - kind of came out of nowhere but pretty mild. I'm not too worried but better to be careful than reckless.

Is this your first ever cycle? the one I'm on now is for me and I swear my mind has made some shit up.

 

[radcon]

Yeah it's my first. What kind of stuff are you questioning about your mind making up? So far my mind has been pretty quiet on making stuff up but if you tell me what yours is making up, I'm sure through the power of suggestion mine will start making stuff up to.

Is this your first ever cycle? the one I'm on now is for me and I swear my mind has made some shit up.

 

[TaoPhD]

Yeah it's my first. What kind of stuff are you questioning about your mind making up? So far my mind has been pretty quiet on making stuff up but if you tell me what yours is making up, I'm sure through the power of suggestion mine will start making stuff up to.

Like how your shirt felt more scratchy. I had the same thing. Just stuff like that. Just trying to compare notes

 

[TheGuy85]

So your not doing any PCT b/c your only cycling on for 2 weeks at a time? And then you jump back on 2 to 4 weeks later and your going to do this 2 or 3 times? I was thinking about doing this with test prop except for like 3 to 4 weeks at a time instead and run Super-DMZ 2.0 with it. I am interested in seeing how it works out for you. I would run a vial of str8 prop to see if source is legit anyway, I think this is a good idea, except a lot of sources do minimum order amounts.

 

[radcon]

Yep, you got it exactly. The goal is to not have to run any PCT. I am taking .5mg arimidex EOD during cycle and will probably do this during the off weeks as well but I need to look more into that. I have nolvadex and hcg on the way in case I feel I need to do PCT or perhaps do some hcg during cycle and see what happens with that. Not sure exactly how a person "knows" if they need to, I guess through labs but perhaps you can tell by feel but I doubt that's a very good way to go about it.

I'm not sure about being on for 3-4 weeks, perhaps you'd be fine. Have you come across anybody talking about that kind of cycle? I'm sticking to the 2 weeks on since that's what those with much more experience than myself have written about.

And I'm with you on also being interested in this kind of cycle since it seems less risky and easier to jump off if source turns out to not be legit.

So your not doing any PCT b/c your only cycling on for 2 weeks at a time? And then you jump back on 2 to 4 weeks later and your going to do this 2 or 3 times? I was thinking about doing this with test prop except for like 3 to 4 weeks at a time instead and run Super-DMZ 2.0 with it. I am interested in seeing how it works out for you. I would run a vial of str8 prop to see if source is legit anyway, I think this is a good idea, except a lot of sources do minimum order amounts.

 

[TheGuy85]

I believe what I read in the past was something like 2 on 2-4 off, 3 on 3-6 off, 4 on 4 to 8 off. I will look for the link, but at 4 weeks or even 3 I would still PCT just don't see the need for hCG. AI always on hand though. I like the idea of short cycles b/c too much weight gain slows me down and it's not really helpful for what I am trying to do. Being shutdown for long periods of time is also a problem for me. I really only need the strength gain and limited weight gain. All that weight in such a short period of time seems like a good way to get injured in any type of athletic activity.

 

[TheGuy85]

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[radcon]

Sounds like we may have similar goals.

Thanks for sharing the link also.

After I run a few of these really short (2 weekers) I'm probably going to have to run a couple longer ones. I ordered some enanthate before I decided to do the short cycles with prop so I might as well use it. It seems that 4-6 weeks is about as short as people recommend with enanthate. I guess it'll be good to compare the different cycles.

I believe what I read in the past was something like 2 on 2-4 off, 3 on 3-6 off, 4 on 4 to 8 off. I will look for the link, but at 4 weeks or even 3 I would still PCT just don't see the need for hCG. AI always on hand though. I like the idea of short cycles b/c too much weight gain slows me down and it's not really helpful for what I am trying to do. Being shutdown for long periods of time is also a problem for me. I really only need the strength gain and limited weight gain. All that weight in such a short period of time seems like a good way to get injured in any type of athletic activity.

 

[TheGuy85]

You feeling PEPs prop yet? I won't start another cycle until December I'm doing PCT now but it might be nice to line my ducks up. I put on too much weight this last run now I feel all heavy and slow, now I gotta cut this shit back down.

 

[radcon]

Not sure what I'm supposed to feel so it's hard to say. I've had some pip so that's in line with injecting prop. What do you normally feel?

I set a 15lb PR on my back squat the day after my first injection but I was due for a PR and I highly doubt it was kicked in at that point.

But I haven't had any euphoric feelings or anything too noteworthy. I'm not really much of a head case though so that might be why I don't have much to report on that. I also didn't have any particular low-T issues beforehand.

We'll see though, I've only taken 300mg so far.

You feeling PEPs prop yet? I won't start another cycle until December I'm doing PCT now but it might be nice to line my ducks up. I put on too much weight this last run now I feel all heavy and slow, now I gotta cut this shit back down.

 

[TheGuy85]

I suppose I used bad terminology. The 15 lb PR is what I was looking for. Your volume capacity going up any, throwing more weight on the bar, recovering faster, DOMS is non-existent? Do you feel like you can knock out everyone you see? It may be hard to tell depending on what kind of workout routine your running. Usually i will be having a hell of a time putting more weight on the bar and end up stalling out and maybe deloading the weight. But when I'm "on" I will push straight through a plateau. Stuff like that is a good indicator. Usually I will continue putting weight on the bar in modest progression and then I slow back down and then I plateau on cycle, that is a good sign to end the cycle. Run PCT, get back to feeling "normal", rinse and repeat. Energy levels might be up, increased libido. You should have some type of positive effects going on after the first week. The first week is kind of slow but there may be some subtle signs.

 

[TheGuy85]

How long have you been injecting now? Honestly I would think you would notice something going on within the first week. If you think your up to it try injecting every day, just split the dose. I think the 15 lb PR is a pretty good indication that its g2g though.

Oh shit never mind you only been on for a few days. :banghead:

 

[radcon]

My workouts are pretty varied so it's kind of difficult to track in less than a week. I do think I'm seeing some improvements but I want to get a few more training sessions in before I report much on it. My weight is up about 5-6 lbs which is significant because my weight is very steady and doesn't normally fluctuate much.

It seems that my strength is perhaps increased in my metabolic conditioning as it seems that my lungs are struggling more to keep up with the work my muscles can do. I don't even know if that makes sense or is possible which is kind of why I'm mostly still waiting to report too much.

I've thought about injecting 50mg ED instead of 100mg EOD but I'd rather not unless it would make a significant difference. Any reason you think it might?

 

[TheGuy85]

No major reason, EOD is fine just seems nice to put something in the tank every day maybe keep test levels a little more stable. It is active 2-3 days. But of course the PIP can be nasty so ED might be a little unpleasant. It just seems like people running prop alone prefer ED.

 

[TheGuy85]

You ever think about stacking Prop and Halotestin . I would like to give it a run. Halotestin is supposed to be the shit for strength gains.

 

[radcon]

Yeah I've thought about the every day thing for the sake of keeping levels more stable but the pip could get annoying. I can also see why people could get sort of addicted to injecting everyday. I look forward to the days I get to inject which makes it kind of fun. Might lose that fun factor injecting every day but perhaps not.

I'm not really familiar with halotestin but now I'm a little intrigued. I'll spend some time getting to know straight test. and maybe in the future experiment a little more.