First Cycle w PEP Test Prop (2 on / 2 or 4 off)

[TheGuy85]

Problem is finding legit Halotestin Bodybuilders don't really use it b/c it isn't good for mass and weight gain. It keeps your weight down but gives a crazy boost in strength. It's the ideal choice if your trying to stay in a certain weight class. I want to do a short prop run with some granted I can find it, I think someone would just take some winny and throw Halotestin on the label and it would be hard to know if it is legit if you've never ran it. It's a big thing for powerlifters and athletes though.

 

[luckyduck]

From where i ran dbol by itself, i was sore as shit. Because there was no test in my system. I was so bad friday night after doing super heavy squats i could bearly walk, so i took 1 cc of the test prop and by sunday i was not sore anymore. I have been so sore that i could barley walk and usually last up to 5 days. The prop sped up my recovery.

 

[radcon]

Today is day 9 of this 2 weeker.
Day 7, I was up about 7 lbs
Day 8, I was only up 5 lbs - thought that was slightly strange, since I injected double dose on day 7. Aesthetically, appeared to have a little less bloat. I'm really just splitting hairs here though for the sake of writing something.

Day 9 - I still have some pip from bilateral glute injections on day 7. Right side is almost gone but left side is still fairly stingy - I'm mildly concerned about that. Going to inject 100mg in right quad in a little bit.

It would seem to me that I've had some performance improvements but difficult for me to put into objective data. I also would not say that I've had increased energy or increased desire to train. If anything, I've been more tired. I was already feeling this way before starting though and pretty sure it has to do with lack of sunlight, particularly in the morning. Seems like my testicles are maybe a little reduced in size but they seem to flucuate normally anyways so who knows.

 

[TheGuy85]

Your going to end up going for 3 weeks aren't you

 

[TheGuy85]

What kind of routine are you running anyway?

 

[radcon]

Your going to end up going for 3 weeks aren't you

Hahaha! I can tell you understand the psychological parts of this kind of thing, either that or you've experienced similar.

I'm going to stick to my plan (even though,yes, it is crossing my mind to stay on longer). I'm also curious to see what happens when I go off after doing such a short cycle.

 

[WL_UOENO]

Interesting to see how your cycle goes. I'm considering doing the same 2 on/4 off.

 

[radcon]

Your going to end up going for 3 weeks aren't you

Oh, another thing that will certainly keep me from running longer is that I never got my order from GE-TM, which included my nolvadex and hcg.

 

[TheGuy85]

You would be alright without the hcg (IMO, unless you are going over 4-6 weeks and Clomid doesn't get the jewels back right) but I would definitely have the nolva on hand for the nips. I run clomid PCT but keep nolva and anastrazole on hand. Iron Dragon peptides actually sells all 3 of these in a bundle as research chems. I've never used CEM products but my buddy uses them and says they are g2g. I been using Iron Dragon b4 I even knew about CEM.

 

[radcon]

You would be alright without the hcg (IMO, unless you are going over 4-6 weeks and Clomid doesn't get the jewels back right) but I would definitely have the nolva on hand for the nips. I run clomid PCT but keep nolva and anastrazole on hand. Iron Dragon peptides actually sells all 3 of these in a bundle as research chems. I've never used CEM products but my buddy uses them and says they are g2g. I been using Iron Dragon b4 I even knew about CEM.

Yeah I agree about not needing the hcg on these short cycles. I originally ordered it when I was going to do a standard test enan. cycle. I didn't really notice any testicular shrinking on this cycle. If I did in the future, I might try some just to see if it makes a difference, or I might not.

I've felt like CEM products were good and feel confident ordering them.

 

[radcon]

I think on my next 2 weeker I'm going to front load with 400mg on day 1.

I was wondering why I didn't do this on this first cycle and then I remembered that this it was my first time with all this and caution is not a bad thing. I didn't know how I would respond, I had never tried the source, I had never put a needle in myself, etc.

 

[TheGuy85]

I will probably never use hcg personally unless I feel I need too. Of course I don't run long, heavy cycles. Clomid does the trick for me. I'm thinking about doing 3 weekers then PCT and jumping back on. And just keep running Clomid in between cycles. Might do this 3 times and take a longer break.

 

[radcon]

I will probably never use hcg personally unless I feel I need too. Of course I don't run long, heavy cycles. Clomid does the trick for me. I'm thinking about doing 3 weekers then PCT and jumping back on. And just keep running Clomid in between cycles. Might do this 3 times and take a longer break.

Do you have a preference regarding nolva vs clomid? Seemed like they were pretty similar.

 

[TheGuy85]

Tamoxifen Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com I've read about side effects from both drugs and it seems that Clomid is safer, making it my preference, however Nolvadex has it's place with me; if I feel like I am growing tits I will hop on the Nolva, but for general PCT Clomid all the way. Clomid makes me pissed off and angry for like the first week and then I'm good, I get blurry vision (minor) and that's about it.

 

[radcon]

Tamoxifen Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com I've read about side effects from both drugs and it seems that Clomid is safer, making it my preference, however Nolvadex has it's place with me; if I feel like I am growing tits I will hop on the Nolva, but for general PCT Clomid all the way. Clomid makes me pissed off and angry for like the first week and then I'm good, I get blurry vision (minor) and that's about it.

Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure what made me think that nolvadex was the way to go if choosing just one??

 

[radcon]

Took my last 100mg injection of test prop. today around noon, it was supposed to be tomorrow but that didn't correspond well with my ability to get a blood draw done.

Tomorrow, I'll get Total T, estradiol, FSH, LH, and a couple other things that come with the panel and should be able to post results by the end of the week. And in about 2 1/2 weeks from now I'm going to get Total T and LH checked to see if I'm recovered.

On another note, I think I suck at pinning the left side of my body. Not enough to take it completely out of the rotation but it does not go as well.

 

[WL_UOENO]

Any updates? What do the bloods look like?

 

[radcon]

Lab Results. Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't going to get exact number on Total Test.
2 week cycle of running PEPs Test propionate (~400-500mg/wk) with .5mg arimidex EOD on opposite days of test injections (arimidex not from PEP)
Oct. 24 Day 1 - 100
Oct. 26 Day 3 - 100
Oct. 28 Day 5 - 100
Oct .30 Day 7 - 200
Nov.1 Day 9 - 100
Nov.3 Day 11 - 100
Nov. 4 Day 12 – 100

Pre Cycle Labs: 10/8
Total Test: 693 ng/dl (348-1197)
Free Test %: 1.3 % (1.5-3.0) LOW
Free Test: 90 pg/ml (52-280)
Tot Estrogens: 111 pg/ml (40-115) - on the high end

Post Cycle: 11/5
Total Test: >1500 ng/dl (348-1197) HIGH
Estradiol: 21.3 pg/ml (7.6-42.6)
LH: 0.4 mIU/ml (1.7-8.6) LOW
FSH: 0.9 mIU/ml (1.5-12.4) LOW

So clearly testosterone was elevated with HPTA suppression.
Weight gain was about 6-7 lbs.

I can't attach the images of lab tests here because they're already posted in PEP's thread.

I'm planning to get one more round of labs done on 11/21 to check HPTA function and Total T and then start round 2.

 

[radcon]

I've been off for about 2 weeks now and thought I'd report a few things.

Weight has stayed on pretty well. I'm still up 6 or 7 lbs from the 8 or 9 I ended with.

I've still been having good performance in the gym during this time off. I've hit a couple PRs even and haven't felt any decrease in strength or stamina.

I haven't felt any crashes or changes in mood. Psychologically I didn't feel any effects either on or off.

Got a bit of acne for a week, 1 week post cycle but that has seemed to have stopped and is clearing up.

 

[radcon]

Went in for a blood draw today to assess HPTA recovery using the panel from Private MD Labs. Last time results were back the following day.

Last pin of Test prop was on Nov. 4th so just over 2 weeks of recovery depending on when exactly recovery starts - I suppose it wouldn't really start until a few days after last pin of prop.