First cycle

[Slates15]

Hey everyone
Stats: 26/ 5'5 155 pounds
Training consistently for about 7 years.
Took a prohormone cycle when I was in the military and first started lifting. Recovered fine.
Been doing alot of reading and learning since first starting.

Cycle: wk 1-12 test c gso 400mg/split into 2 injections mon/thur
adex .5 e3d/will raise or lower based on sides and mid cycle bloods
hcg 500 iu 2x a week
Pct 21 days after last injection:
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

Everything other then hcg is through titaniumgear.

Diet will be on point.

Pre cycle bloods taken

Did first injection this morning, used 25g 1in. Injection went well but pretty sore and feels like a bad bruise as of now, no redness. I'm hoping its becuase it is a virgin muscle and will go away on later injections. Unless you think it may be a concern let me know.

Let me know what you all think and if there's anything I should change. Completely open to what you all have to say.

 

[T-Lab]

Personally I would pin at least M W F and I would not run hcg on cycle just post cycle.

 

[mp46]

I run my TRT twice a week and have no problems with twice weekly injections with the longer esters like test Cyp. On 525mg test my E2 was around 120 but I had no sides so I didn't really take it. I also run Hcg to keep everything functioning, I don't see a reason not to use it.

 

[LeoTC]

Pain will subside once you get used to pinning.

I really only pin quads and don't really feel it much at all anymore. After the first few you'll be good.

Be concerned when it's hot and red / creeping outward from the injection site.

 

[T-Lab]

The logic behind more frequent pinning is better absorption and more stable levels. Not having a problem is not the same thing as something still being more optimal. And you aren’t going to see and feel every single effect significantly. Doesn’t mean it’s not there. The reasoning for keeping hcg out until post cycle or trt is you have natural test competing with you aas. This is as explained to me by people much smarter than I am so I follow their protocol. I’m just passing along the info of what I personally do. People can take it or leave it.

 

[88general88]

Hey everyone
Stats: 26/ 5'5 155 pounds
Training consistently for about 7 years.
Took a prohormone cycle when I was in the military and first started lifting. Recovered fine.
Been doing alot of reading and learning since first starting.

Cycle: wk 1-12 test c gso 400mg/split into 2 injections mon/thur
adex .5 e3d/will raise or lower based on sides and mid cycle bloods
hcg 500 iu 2x a week
Pct 21 days after last injection:
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

Everything other then hcg is through titaniumgear.

Diet will be on point.

Pre cycle bloods taken

Did first injection this morning, used 25g 1in. Injection went well but pretty sore and feels like a bad bruise as of now, no redness. I'm hoping its becuase it is a virgin muscle and will go away on later injections. Unless you think it may be a concern let me know.

Let me know what you all think and if there's anything I should change. Completely open to what you all have to say.

Are you eating a lot of protein, if you are you need to be drinking a lot more water, liter a lot more water, kidneys look like they are working overtime especially for someone not on gear. Also, was this fasted, if not how long had it been since you digested anything?? Also, are you taking any other supplements, have you been taking hcg, or clomid, DAA?? Just curious because your LH is high for someone who’s test is at your level.

Based on the dosage of test you are going to run, if you run hcg you do not need to run both nolvadex and clomid for pct. I would used hcg and nolva

 

[Slates15]

Definitely eating alot of protein and didnt drink alot of water going before my blood test. I am now drinking a gallon plus a day. it was 12 hours since I had eaten something.

So just an update. Soreness is still there but a little better. There is some swelling but nothing crazy like a lump or anything. No redness or anything else. Hit legs today and it definitely helped relieve some if the soreness.

I'm curious though if my pin is long enough and if the first pin was accidentally subq and not IM and that is why there is some swelling in the area. Or if it's just normal due to being a virgin muscle. It was a 25g 1in. It went in super smooth and am not sure if I should have felt something tougher meaning that the pin entered the muscle. Anybody with knowledge please chime in. Thanks for the help guys

 

[LeoTC]

You don't feel it if you don't anticipate and psych yourself up. I don't anyway, and I use 1" pins.

 

[T-Lab]

1 inch is fine. It should be smooth. I think pushing slowly helps. Sounds like you have normal pip. It does seem to lessen a bit over time as you get used to it. Also depends on what you are pinning.

 

[Worf]

You may not need that much Adex but its definitely good to have it. 500 iu shots of hcg can cause estro problem in some. Recommend taking the dex on hcg days. 250-300 iu 2-3x per week is standard cycle protocol. Good luck OP

 

[Slates15]

Had my second injection today. Decided to do it before I showerd so I can let the hot water run on it and hopefully help disperse the oil. I guess we will see when I wake how I'm feeling.

I had to inject twice though due to noticing a couple drops of blood in the syringe when I aspirated. it wasn't alot just 2 drops but didnt want to chance and it got a new needle and injected again. I did bleed alot more this time though when I pulled the second injection out. My first injection did not bleed at all. Any reason for this?

 

[LeoTC]

You just knicked a vein, it happens and doesn't mean anything is wrong.

Hell, I haven't even aspirated since like the first half of the first cycle I ran. Unnecessary unless you're trying to find or make sure you hit a vein.

But you may have bled more just because you pinned twice. As soon as you stick that pin into the muscle you're causing a small amount of trauma and triggering a slight inflammatory response. So more blood in the area, even if only slightly so.

 

[Slates15]

Start of week 2. Pinned this morning. Pinned my right glute again and went real smooth. No immediate pain. In assuming do it to not being a virgin muscle anymore.

I've been taking the .5 adex on pin days. How long would it take to notice of you crashed your e2. Would I have noticed it after the first week of my adex dose? I'm just thinking my e2 maybe on the lower side but not crazy. My libido feels alright but no as high as before I started my cycle and joints maybe a little on the drier side but nothing painful. and not getting signs of high e2 like acne, bloated or emotional.

How long will it take to notice the great sense of well being and crazy libido from high test? I know gains wont start coming for a few weeks but heard the other stuff can come sooner.

 

[Slates15]

So I got mid cycle bloods done.
E2 seems to be on the higher side but no negative side effects. I'm feeling great and up about 15 pounds. However my liver enzymes came back super high. I'm not taking any oral other then .25 adex twice a week on injection days. I also do not drink alcohol. Can testosterone alone rise liver enzyme levels? I just started tudca so hopefully that will help.

 

[Delt123]

Training can raise those, but those numbers seems to be very high for it to be from training.

Taking/took any medication prior to testing?

 

[Slates15]

No medications.

 

[Delt123]

Id see a doctor tbh

 

[dukleks]

Everybody is different and ai have some liver toxicity, but those numbers seem pretty high for the low dose you are running. I would try out aromasin and see how your liver enzymes are on this. Also get your ggt checked.

 

[Steak man]

In the air for me on my first cycle with choosing test e or test cyp? Looking at 500mg a week in order to build lean mass.
Will add an AI as well either arimedex or letro.
Pinning twice a week is the plan and the want to manage side effects.
Seeing test cyp has longer half life but side effects are more, and really a difference of a day or two for test e with half life and milder side effects.

Thoughts?

 

[Delt123]

In the air for me on my first cycle with choosing test e or test cyp? Looking at 500mg a week in order to build lean mass.
Will add an AI as well either arimedex or letro.
Pinning twice a week is the plan and the want to manage side effects.
Seeing test cyp has longer half life but side effects are more, and really a difference of a day or two for test e with half life and milder side effects.

Thoughts?

Close to zero difference tbh.