First cycle

[DiaDuit]

Well if you've made your decision to run the cycle, I "personally" don't see a problem with it. There's ways to properly come off so you're not screwed forever. Honestly you're better off doing this than OTC "prohormones". At least these compounds have been studied, and are prescribed.

Around week 6, get a CBC/CBM, test total, test free, FSH/LH, Estradiol, etc. You can order your own labs without going to a doctor. (If you need help say so and I can tell you). You should time your blood test for roughly 48 hours after an injection.

HCG will be essential in coming off and having an easy post cycle. I'm hoping you sourced some, PCT247 and BG sell pharm quality. Using that properly is 2x a week, 3x a week is better. 250-500iu at a time. As I'd mentioned before, use it 2 weeks past your last test injection higher dosing as mentioned before.

Taking anastrazole (arimidex) 0.5mg 2x a week will keep your estrogen in check but also could be too low as Adex is a suicide inhibitor. So some would suggest not using it until you need to. It's the primary prescription during TRT also for keeping estrogenic side effects ironed out. You could cut it down to 0.25mg 2x a week (quarter tab with pill cutter)

Start a Usual PCT protocol 1-2 weeks after last test shot. Same time as stopping HCG. You could run HCG out a tad longer if you wish at 250iu 3x a week (same as during cycle) to help keep FSH/LH elevated and taper out.

When do you recommend I start HCG? On cycle as soon as it comes in the mail? (In about a week)

 

[Cuuldinulva]

Can you cite your sources for permanently impacting brain development? Because I've never seen any.

Also I'd believe if that were factually true, doctors wouldn't/couldn't prescribe testosterone to adolescents undergoing sexual reassignment at the risk of brain development/maturity. It's odd how people will be so harsh judging males for using exogenous testosterone but this goes really untouched. Males in adolescence and early 20s can still have hypergonadism and need treatment. But whatever method that may be, would be based on a per patient basis.

The truth is, nobody has done long term studies enough to prove exogenous testosterone supplementation is the cause or can cause any health risks you already aren't at risk of. Saying otherwise is a very old method of thinking from back when the US made steroids a controlled substance. Unsubstantiated claims of death, disease, etc, an the "people" who came forth claiming their ailments on steroids left out all their immense recreational drug usage, pre-existing conditions, etc. Had to have good reason to ban it. Just like 2006, find some scape goats. The legality of restricting those studies from happening now though, with it being relatively easy to find long term patients on TRT, will hopefully change.

Mind you (anyone) I said exogenous testosterone. I did not say, tren, bold, deca, etc. Just plain old test. Granted most steroids were developed for their respective medical purposes, muscle wasting, yadda yadda. Tren/EQ and some others were not designed for humans.

By no means am I saying this is a route for everyone, not saying they're harmless and okay, you have to weigh the pros and cons.

Not trying to argue, simply a fruitful discussion.

Regards.

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Regarding sexual reassignment for adolescents, that's the whole point. They're also not prescribing blast doses, but replacement doses.

Sex hormones impact brain development, and blast doses are going to exaggerate the effects.

 

[Resurgence]

I don't think Arimidex is a suicide inhibitor, aromasin is though. I agree with everything you said, though 3x a week for hcg is much better as stated and 2x a week for Arimidex isn't going to give you very stable levels. 3x a week minimum for Arimidex, preferably eo

I don't think Arimidex is a suicide inhibitor, aromasin is though. I agree with everything you said, though 3x a week for hcg is much better as stated and 2x a week for Arimidex isn't going to give you very stable levels. 3x a week minimum for Arimidex, preferably eod

I've used arimidex everyday, EOD, and 2x a week. Just depends on if you're already experiencing side effects or trying to prevent them. Most endocrinologist agree with a 2-3x a week protocol to maintain.

An yes that was definitely a mistake on my part mentioning Anastrozole as a permanent binding AI, Ive been trying to word it more correctly as people generally get prescribed anastrozole and not the name brand arimidex, and then exemestane (aromasin). Got my As mixed up LOL

 

[Resurgence]

When do you recommend I start HCG? On cycle as soon as it comes in the mail? (In about a week)

Soon as you get it.

 

[Resurgence]

Influence of sex steroid hormones on the adolescent brain and behavior: An update - PMC

This review explains the main effects exerted by sex steroids and other hormones on the adolescent brain. During the transition from puberty to adolescence, these hormones participate in the organizational phenomena that structurally shape some ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Regarding sexual reassignment for adolescents, that's the whole point. They're also not prescribing blast doses, but replacement doses.

Sex hormones impact brain development, and blast doses are going to exaggerate the effects.

Yes they prescribe replacement doses. But the replacement doses that equate to the same as replacement doses for of age males. Point is, it's an exogenous smack of testosterone in a female system at a level they should never be at in the first place. But that is deemed acceptable to achieve masculinizing affects. So if it is deemed acceptable for a female to have their natural testosterone at a minimum, doubled (easily), during adolescence, a male who's simply 2-2.5x their testosterone serum outside of adolescence shouldn't be of concern to mental development. You can probably note that there are no relevant studies done on this long term treatment protocol either. The only concluding evidence there based on "sex hormones" is birth control related in early development stages affecting the outcome later on in life. Otherwise it's an in depth article on how sex hormones affect brain development. Mostly on those in early-late teen years. An noting the affects of bioidentical therapy (via birth control) they examined, you'd think they would be against prescribing testosterone in said individuals. But they aren't.

That article does not correlate to exogenous testosterone use in adolescents, but citing sources for hormone related development in adolescence and birth control in females.

Claiming blast doses would exaggerate effects (past adolescence) is a opinion statement.

 

[Resurgence]

Just to clear that up with some post thoughts about hormones and brain development. Got cut off since I was at work.

If medical "professionals" have deemed the side effects to benefit ratio as acceptable to prescribe TRT doses to adolescents (bioidentical or not), an adult male doing a cycle at only 2x a max TRT dosage which is actually pretty subtle IMO as far as cycles go, isn't a concern. Especially if done properly. Not to mention 3-4 months is short term in the name of these other things we're discussing which continue for years or indefinitely. They have never conducted a study on how any prescribing of long term TRT in adolescence could negatively impact them but they do it anyway (because it's dangerous).

Citing that study, they know the effects of birth control on brain development but still, it's ok when weighed harmful effects to benefits, according to them and happens daily.

You could use ozempic and have a stroke. That's ok. Some diabetic medications can increase chances of cancer, heart attack, etc. Totally cool.

They can start prescribing Adderall at age 6, a drug which directly impacts your brain, knowing full well the laundry list of side effects and addiction developing tendency, and do so regularly in kids/adolescents.

Same people who tell you more than 2300mg of Sodium is bad for everyone when it only affects like 3% of the population.

Best part about people in the AAS world. A first cycle will get the most critique, backlash, warnings of all the health problems, but a guy blasting 3 grams of gear a week gets a "hell yeah bro keep us posted".

End of the day shits still safer than OTC prohormones these days. I don't most trust doctors farther than I can throw em without full well educating myself on options before anything.

Apologize to OP for the post Hijack.

 

[DiaDuit]

irrelevant but when can I expect ball shrinkage? Haven’t taken HCG yet because it hasn’t come in, but one week on and they’re still hanging low

 

[musclesiege]

irrelevant but when can I expect ball shrinkage? Haven’t taken HCG yet because it hasn’t come in, but one week on and they’re still hanging low

About 6–10 weeks is when they can start to shrink and/or atrophy.

 

[Resurgence]

irrelevant but when can I expect ball shrinkage? Haven’t taken HCG yet because it hasn’t come in, but one week on and they’re still hanging low

Some people never experience much atrophy. Some people get it really bad.
Mine have barely changed much after years of TRT (without HCG).
It's not irrelevant, it's a side effect that can be helped.

 

[DiaDuit]

Got some anastrozole finally. was feeling moody and was retaining a metric shit ton of water, so assumed my estrogen was getting a little higher. On the third shot I took half an anastrozole. My fourth I took a whole one and felt great. So I think I’ll stick with one mg 24hours post shot. Otherwise I’m already up 5 pounds (mostly water weight assuming) and feel great. Already noticing some slight changes almost 2 weeks in. Strength feels great. Etc.

 

[DiaDuit]

Some people never experience much atrophy. Some people get it really bad.
Mine have barely changed much after years of TRT (without HCG).
It's not irrelevant, it's a side effect that can be helped.

Hey man, any advice on blood work? Is there a specific test that scans everything? or do i need to tell them the specifics on what i need? Any advice would be much appreciated.

 

[Resurgence]

Hey man, any advice on blood work? Is there a specific test that scans everything? or do i need to tell them the specifics on what i need? Any advice would be much appreciated.

If you're ordering your own lab tests and you want almost everything done I would use this: Use this link to save $30

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The one you want should be 181.49 under "hormone panel for males"

Then you just schedule it with your nearest quest. Go get blood drawn. Results uploaded to app, and emailed to you.

Post will probably get edited or removed for outside links so hopefully you get it while you can.

 

[Resurgence]

Hey man, any advice on blood work? Is there a specific test that scans everything? or do i need to tell them the specifics on what i need? Any advice would be much appreciated.

An yes it's 100% legit and confidential. I use it for my TRT labs for my doc. But you do NOT have to send it to a physician to get this done.

Make sure you time it for 48hrs or so after a shot (cyp, enan, Sust, etc) and have been using for 5-6 weeks.

 

[DiaDuit]

An yes it's 100% legit and confidential. I use it for my TRT labs for my doc. But you do NOT have to send it to a physician to get this done.

Make sure you time it for 48hrs or so after a shot (cyp, enan, Sust, etc) and have been using for 5-6 weeks.

I have it scheduled for tomorrow at 6am.. so it’d be 65 hours post shot. Will that be an issue?

 

[XtraWhoreMoans]

It isn’t about only the risk…

More so learning how your body reacts. I was going to even suggest 350 mg and ramp up to 500 for the last 5 weeks if you wanted too.. just so he can get an idea of how he reacts regarding e2 management sides etc…

also get blood work

That’s what I would do. Even 300 for a couple weeks then up to 500. Bloods after about 6eeeks

 

[Resurgence]

I have it scheduled for tomorrow at 6am.. so it’d be 65 hours post shot. Will that be an issue?

Nah you'll be fine. 2-3 days (3 at most) after last shot, 5-6 weeks in so you're more stabilized.

 

[DiaDuit]

 

[DiaDuit]

Haven’t gotten testosterone results back yet.. will post when I do

 

[Resurgence]

Haven’t gotten testosterone results back yet.. will post when I do

I was going to say you're missing a lot lol. The CBC should be available too. Weird they processed all that the same day but didn't get the rest.

 

[DiaDuit]

I was going to say you're missing a lot lol. The CBC should be available too. Weird they processed all that the same day but didn't get the rest.