First Cycle

[Sleekz]

Hey y'all been training for 4 years now and have a very solid physique. Very Blessed with my proportions only down side to my physique is I still have a little puberty gyno that never went away. Noticed that I can put on a good amount of mass pretty easily but always gain a lot of body fat with that and whenever I cut I also lose most of my muscle mass and look fairly mid. Got my bloods done and sure enough my total test was 319 ng/dl pretty low.

About to do my first cycle and because Ive built a solid physique on low test i'm thinking about running a 12 week cycle of 250mg Test E a week with having Arimidex .5mg tablets on hand just incase of sides, and running Tamoxifen for pct. Thoughts/advice?

 

[Mongo966]

Hey y'all been training for 4 years now and have a very solid physique. Very Blessed with my proportions only down side to my physique is I still have a little puberty gyno that never went away. Noticed that I can put on a good amount of mass pretty easily but always gain a lot of body fat with that and whenever I cut I also lose most of my muscle mass and look fairly mid. Got my bloods done and sure enough my total test was 319 ng/dl pretty low.

About to do my first cycle and because Ive built a solid physique on low test i'm thinking about running a 12 week cycle of 250mg Test E a week with having Arimidex .5mg tablets on hand just incase of sides, and running Tamoxifen for pct. Thoughts/advice?

Yep.
Send it.
Don't get too jumpy with the arimidex, though. I have pubertal gyno and I usually run 250mg/week without needing an AI. Wait until you run bloodwork 4 weeks in to see where your estrogen is sitting and make your decision then. That's assuming you don't start growing tits in the mean time. You already know what gyno feels like, so you should be able to gauge the situation properly.
Enjoy!

 

[Xplicit]

Lets get some more info so we can better help you out here.

Age? Height? Weight? Body Fat? Diet?

What's the goal with this cycle? Growth? Cut?

Why the PCT if your test levels are low and it seems to me you are implying thats the reason for losing muscle when you cut?

Have you taken anything before? Sarms? Pro Hormones? Any idea why your natural T levels are low?

 

[BigTomJ]

Id recommend getting aromasin instead of adex for your first run.

Asin is far more forgiving to dose and you wont have to worry about any rebound with it.
on top of all that its a second generation AI that is debatably "healthier" than adex.

you likely wont need any AI at all, but get bloodwork 4 weeks in to see what your levels are like and how your personal aromatization rate looks like

 

[readalot]

Differences between the non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors anastrozole and letrozole – of clinical importance? - PMC

Aromatase inhibition is the gold standard for treatment of early and advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women suffering from an estrogen receptor-positive disease. The currently established group of anti-aromatase compounds comprises two ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

See Table 1.

Also...

Aromatase inhibition 2013: clinical state of the art and questions that remain to be solved - PMC

Following their successful implementation for the treatment of metastatic breast cancer, the ‘third-generation’ aromatase inhibitors (anastrozole, letrozole, and exemestane) have now become standard adjuvant endocrine treatment for postmenopausal ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Sleekz]

Lets get some more info so we can better help you out here.

Age? Height? Weight? Body Fat? Diet?

What's the goal with this cycle? Growth? Cut?

Why the PCT if your test levels are low and it seems to me you are implying thats the reason for losing muscle when you cut?

Have you taken anything before? Sarms? Pro Hormones? Any idea why your natural T levels are low?

20yrs old 5’10” 175lbs around 16% bodyfat currently have a extremely clean diet eating around 3,500 cals a day I know Im young but my goal is to compete at a pro level in my late 20s. Mainly looking for growth, pct incase I don't react well to AAS and dont see results (which I know wont be crazy on 250mg). T levels are genetically low, my dad has low T and so did my grandpa.

 

[readalot]

Differences between the non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors anastrozole and letrozole – of clinical importance? - PMC

Aromatase inhibition is the gold standard for treatment of early and advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women suffering from an estrogen receptor-positive disease. The currently established group of anti-aromatase compounds comprises two ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

See Table 1.

Also...

Aromatase inhibition 2013: clinical state of the art and questions that remain to be solved - PMC

Following their successful implementation for the treatment of metastatic breast cancer, the ‘third-generation’ aromatase inhibitors (anastrozole, letrozole, and exemestane) have now become standard adjuvant endocrine treatment for postmenopausal ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are two broad categories of third-generation AIs (Lønning and Geisler, 2008). The reversible non-steroidal agents include anastrozole and letrozole (triazole derivatives). The third agent, exemestane, is an androstenedione derivative that functions as an irreversible steroidal inhibitor (or inactivator). The triazole derivatives bind to the cytochrome P-450 component of the aromatase enzyme, whereas the steroidal compound exemestane binds to the substrate-binding pocket of the aromatase enzyme (Geisler et al, 1998), leading to its degradation (Figure 1).

 

[Shaka69]

Don't do 12 weeks just do blast and cruise.
If you don't ready to stay minimum on trt then never start with it. When your natural test is low what you think will happen after a cycle ?
After the first cycle your natural hormones will never be the same.
Be ready to stay on it my friend.
Do at least 24 weeks first cycle for some gains that will stay after pct but I would recommend not to go off just cruise.

 

[holy02]

I also wouldn't recommend to do pct if your T levels are low unless you are trying to procreate.

You didn't mention anything about low T symptoms (low energy, low libido, bad erections...) but if you have 319 ng/dL that's pretty much hipogonadism and some symptoms could appear which in this case I would be on trt forever.

Most likely you won't need an AI at that small dosage.

 

[Sector]

I also wouldn't recommend to do pct if your T levels are low unless you are trying to procreate.

You didn't mention anything about low T symptoms (low energy, low libido, bad erections...) but if you have 319 ng/dL that's pretty much hipogonadism and some symptoms could appear which in this case I would be on trt forever.

Most likely you won't need an AI at that small dosage.

This. If your test levels are already low you'll probably be TRT for life, the sooner you accept that the easier it becomes. Wouldn't bother with PCT, your levels will never be what they were (and they were already low to begin with).

Do 200-250mgs test/week if you want a TRT+ kind of cycle

350-500mg/week if you're looking for an actual cycle

 

[Sleekz]

This. If your test levels are already low you'll probably be TRT for life, the sooner you accept that the easier it becomes. Wouldn't bother with PCT, your levels will never be what they were (and they were already low to begin with).

Do 200-250mgs test/week if you want a TRT+ kind of cycle

350-500mg/week if you're looking for an actual cycle

Thanks for this I really needed to here that because my levels are already so low. Just was having a hard time thinking about being on trt for life, but since in a few years my levels will continue to get lower ill have to go on trt anyways if I want to maintain a good sexual life with the girlfriend.

 

[DECLAN]

I think you should talk to an endocrinologist first before thinking of doing a self prescribed trt. No offense to those guys advising you to blast and cruise but you’re 20 years old, that is a major decision to make so early.

There are consequences to this aside from the benefits you’re going to get. Fertility issues, regular bloodwork and what if life changed later on like career or access to a trt becomes unavailable. This is a decision you shouldn’t be taking from strangers in the internet at that age. Talk to a professional it is the best option for you.

But if you’re only doing it for gains, then thats I’ll say you’re too young to be on roids. Thats just me though.

 

[Shaka69]

I think you should talk to an endocrinologist first before thinking of doing a self prescribed trt. No offense to those guys advising you to blast and cruise but you’re 20 years old, that is a major decision to make so early.

There are consequences to this aside from the benefits you’re going to get. Fertility issues, regular bloodwork and what if life changed later on like career or access to a trt becomes unavailable. This is a decision you shouldn’t be taking from strangers in the internet at that age. Talk to a professional it is the best option for you.

But if you’re only doing it for gains, then thats I’ll say you’re too young to be on roids. Thats just me though.

He's right
With that low levels you will get a prescription for testosterone and don't buy it illegal what's the best case for you so listen to his advice that's the smartest thing you can do at the moment.

 

[Vanargandar]

My advice: Don't. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

(Disclaimer: I am not an actual doctor.)

 

[Sleekz]

He's right
With that low levels you will get a prescription for testosterone and don't buy it illegal what's the best case for you so listen to his advice that's the smartest thing you can do at the moment.

I did talk to my endocrinologist they wanted to prescribe me 100mg a week 1 shot, that’s personally a little to low for me. Just talked to my local trt clinic and they said I should be on 200mgs a week and Im going into their office next month to talk about it and get my prescription.

 

[DECLAN]

I did talk to my endocrinologist they wanted to prescribe me 100mg a week 1 shot, that’s personally a little to low for me. Just talked to my local trt clinic and they said I should be on 200mgs a week and Im going into their office next month to talk about it and get my prescription.

Well, what level does 100mg bring you up to? Trt clinics just want to sell you overpriced testosterone. Real trt is different, to be honest you’re lucky to get 100mg a week, i am prescribed 120mg every 2 weeks.

I suggest you search for something to optimize your health first and then after everything stabilized, then you can mix in your blasts if needed.

 

[RekTest]

I did talk to my endocrinologist they wanted to prescribe me 100mg a week 1 shot, that’s personally a little to low for me. Just talked to my local trt clinic and they said I should be on 200mgs a week and Im going into their office next month to talk about it and get my prescription.

Talk to a sports endo, I got on when I was 22 a long time ago, my prescription is 160mg/wk but hes personally told me he rather people take a little extra test than other stuff so I take 200mg/wk since I get 200mg bottles and then just do a longer trough when doing bloods.

You have to make the decision yourself though, I did my research and found people doing BNC for years and still being able to come off and have kids fine.

 

[BigCake]

This. If your test levels are already low you'll probably be TRT for life, the sooner you accept that the easier it becomes. Wouldn't bother with PCT, your levels will never be what they were (and they were already low to begin with).

Do 200-250mgs test/week if you want a TRT+ kind of cycle

350-500mg/week if you're looking for an actual cycle

I am very new to TRT, but without any PCT, do your testes just disappear? I have seen buff guys in porn with no testes and I am assuming this is what happened? Just for reference, my TRT has me on test c(subQ 40 mg daily, 280mg week) and clomid (50 mg daily) for testicular health.

 

[max187]

I am very new to TRT, but without any PCT, do your testes just disappear? I have seen buff guys in porn with no testes and I am assuming this is what happened? Just for reference, my TRT has me on test c(subQ 40 mg daily, 280mg week) and clomid (50 mg daily) for testicular health.

My understanding is that running HCG @ 250/500 or 750 IUs three times a week will maintain testes functionality and size during TRT or cycle. There are many very good videos on youtube.
I particularly like the ones by Dr. Robert Stevens - The Men's Health Clinic.

 

[DECLAN]

I am very new to TRT, but without any PCT, do your testes just disappear? I have seen buff guys in porn with no testes and I am assuming this is what happened? Just for reference, my TRT has me on test c(subQ 40 mg daily, 280mg week) and clomid (50 mg daily) for testicular health.

How much total test you get from 280mg? That is quite a huge dose unless you need to maintain 250+ lean muscle frame or you’re a superlow responder.