bornSkinny
Well-known Member
Interested in everyone's thoughts about how things have changed
Please note these are generalizations, Common examples
Not too long ago there were different recommendations that newbies would find when they asked about what they should do for their first cycle
A typical first cycle might look like this. I actually pulled this directly off the webpage of source who sponsors here several years ago:
Old school first cycle
Week 1-12 500mg Test E/Wk
Week 1-4 50 mg Dianabol ED
Week 1-12 .25mg Adex ED
So, 500 test a week with a Dbol kick-starter and an AI. Run this, Eat well and you'll blow up was very common to hear on forums.
Today a first cycle, if they are done playing with SARM's, is pretty different. Something I commonly see posted might look like this:
New school first cycle
Week 1-3 150mg Test C/wk
Week 4-6 200mg Test C/wk
Week 7-9 250mg Test C/wk
Week 10-12 300mg Test C/wk
So, Starting at 150mg a week of test and as long as everything goes well working up to double that over the course of the cycle. Now these values may vary some, but in general we're talking about a very conservative low starting dose and titrating up the dose within the cycle if things are going well to maximize results.
Things I like about the Old school cycle:
It's simplicity. For a beginner less is definitely more. Two pills daily and two weekly IM injections is extremely simple and low stress. Allows you to focus on training and nutrition. I believe it is reasonably and relatively safe as far as cycles go. I didn't say the safest, but versus the new school cycle I doubt there is a significant number of people that would have a serious problem with one of these and not the other. Finally, I think it's likely to get a good ROI for a huge majority of those who run it.
Things I Dislike about the Old school cycle:
It's way too cookie-cutter. Perfect example is just taking an AI without knowing if you even need one. People aromatize differently and you can't know how you will respond until you've ran some cycles and had blood work done to see. An oral as a “kickstarter” is fucking stupid. It's such a childish attitude to take some steroids and need something to happen right away. With much experience I only ever use orals as a finisher AFTER everything else is doing it's magic. That's how you get the synergy not by starting them before your other compounds come up to speed.
Things I like about the New school cycle:
It's a much more careful and responsible plan. It's good to see people are taking their health seriously and are attracted to a cautious approach to aas use. The premise is sound that you only want to use the least amount possible to get the desired results, when side effects can be avoided. I like that it uses just Test and allows who runs it to see how they will respond to some different dosages. It is extremely safe, and very unlikely to cause any adverse events.
Things I don't like about the New school cycle:
Some of the biggest issues I've had with side effects like acne and mood swings, were when I was making adjustments to my dosages. Once my body reacted to the new hormone levels and balanced it became fine but I've found this to often be the case. While this may just be something personal to me, I have read other say they also prefer stable hormone levels. So while I do make adjustments on cycle, I don't want them to be frequent or frivolous. The basis of starting low and moving up is to assess tolerance and I guess just use the optimal amount of Test on a first cycle. I'm skeptical a first time user injecting a long ester is capable of making these types of adjustments correctly on the fly based on how they feel. I think you would be better off saying I'm going to run 300 and then doing it. If in four weeks you have an issue then I'm wrong but that's not a huge risk IMO. You're still being conservative running 300 and you're not taking your hormones for a roller coaster ride.
Some differences I see.
What do you think?
Old School or New School?
Please note these are generalizations, Common examples
Not too long ago there were different recommendations that newbies would find when they asked about what they should do for their first cycle
A typical first cycle might look like this. I actually pulled this directly off the webpage of source who sponsors here several years ago:
Old school first cycle
Week 1-12 500mg Test E/Wk
Week 1-4 50 mg Dianabol ED
Week 1-12 .25mg Adex ED
So, 500 test a week with a Dbol kick-starter and an AI. Run this, Eat well and you'll blow up was very common to hear on forums.
Today a first cycle, if they are done playing with SARM's, is pretty different. Something I commonly see posted might look like this:
New school first cycle
Week 1-3 150mg Test C/wk
Week 4-6 200mg Test C/wk
Week 7-9 250mg Test C/wk
Week 10-12 300mg Test C/wk
So, Starting at 150mg a week of test and as long as everything goes well working up to double that over the course of the cycle. Now these values may vary some, but in general we're talking about a very conservative low starting dose and titrating up the dose within the cycle if things are going well to maximize results.
Things I like about the Old school cycle:
It's simplicity. For a beginner less is definitely more. Two pills daily and two weekly IM injections is extremely simple and low stress. Allows you to focus on training and nutrition. I believe it is reasonably and relatively safe as far as cycles go. I didn't say the safest, but versus the new school cycle I doubt there is a significant number of people that would have a serious problem with one of these and not the other. Finally, I think it's likely to get a good ROI for a huge majority of those who run it.
Things I Dislike about the Old school cycle:
It's way too cookie-cutter. Perfect example is just taking an AI without knowing if you even need one. People aromatize differently and you can't know how you will respond until you've ran some cycles and had blood work done to see. An oral as a “kickstarter” is fucking stupid. It's such a childish attitude to take some steroids and need something to happen right away. With much experience I only ever use orals as a finisher AFTER everything else is doing it's magic. That's how you get the synergy not by starting them before your other compounds come up to speed.
Things I like about the New school cycle:
It's a much more careful and responsible plan. It's good to see people are taking their health seriously and are attracted to a cautious approach to aas use. The premise is sound that you only want to use the least amount possible to get the desired results, when side effects can be avoided. I like that it uses just Test and allows who runs it to see how they will respond to some different dosages. It is extremely safe, and very unlikely to cause any adverse events.
Things I don't like about the New school cycle:
Some of the biggest issues I've had with side effects like acne and mood swings, were when I was making adjustments to my dosages. Once my body reacted to the new hormone levels and balanced it became fine but I've found this to often be the case. While this may just be something personal to me, I have read other say they also prefer stable hormone levels. So while I do make adjustments on cycle, I don't want them to be frequent or frivolous. The basis of starting low and moving up is to assess tolerance and I guess just use the optimal amount of Test on a first cycle. I'm skeptical a first time user injecting a long ester is capable of making these types of adjustments correctly on the fly based on how they feel. I think you would be better off saying I'm going to run 300 and then doing it. If in four weeks you have an issue then I'm wrong but that's not a huge risk IMO. You're still being conservative running 300 and you're not taking your hormones for a roller coaster ride.
Some differences I see.
What do you think?
Old School or New School?
