First post here: My first cycle outline...whaddayathink?

[guitarded]

A quick background on me: I've been working out rather consistently for the better part of about 15 years. I'm 6'4", about 220lbs and somewhere in the ballpark of 10-14% bf. I've tried all the supplements combined with a fairly strict and consistent diet etc, but with minimal gains and major expense.
I feel I'm close to or have reached my genetic potential and have decided to try aas for the first time to break some ground and get passed these plateaus. After doing some research, I've decided on the following cycle. I appreciate any and all feedback on how correctly it's layed out etc.

week 1-4: dbol 30mg (15mg 2x/day)
week 1-10: deca 300mg (150mg 2x/week)
week 1-10: sust 500mg (250mg 2x/week)
week 11-13: win tabs 50mg ( 25mg 2x/day)
week 1-13: proviron 50mg (25mg 2x/day)
Pct( 3 weeks from last inject)
day 1: clomid 300mg, 20mg nolva, 3g tribulus ter.
days 2-11: clomid 100mg, 20mg nolva, 3g trib ter
days 12-21: clomid 50mg, 20mg nolva, 3 g trib ter

*will start on creatine on week 11 and carry through pct as well
*will be taking milk thistle throughout

...Ok, so does this have any major problems or does it look like a fairly well layed out cycle? I want to get it right the first time.

...also, one question, if blood pressure goes up during cycle, what are my options to treat that?

thanks,
guit

 

[Tank01]

A quick background on me: I've been working out rather consistently for the better part of about 15 years. I'm 6'4", about 220lbs and somewhere in the ballpark of 10-14% bf. I've tried all the supplements combined with a fairly strict and consistent diet etc, but with minimal gains and major expense.
I feel I'm close to or have reached my genetic potential and have decided to try aas for the first time to break some ground and get passed these plateaus. After doing some research, I've decided on the following cycle. I appreciate any and all feedback on how correctly it's layed out etc.

week 1-4: dbol 30mg (15mg 2x/day)
week 1-10: deca 300mg (150mg 2x/week)
week 1-10: sust 500mg (250mg 2x/week)
week 11-13: win tabs 50mg ( 25mg 2x/day)
week 1-13: proviron 50mg (25mg 2x/day)
Pct( 3 weeks from last inject)
day 1: clomid 300mg, 20mg nolva, 3g tribulus ter.
days 2-11: clomid 100mg, 20mg nolva, 3g trib ter
days 12-21: clomid 50mg, 20mg nolva, 3 g trib ter

*will start on creatine on week 11 and carry through pct as well
*will be taking milk thistle throughout

...Ok, so does this have any major problems or does it look like a fairly well layed out cycle? I want to get it right the first time.

...also, one question, if blood pressure goes up during cycle, what are my options to treat that?

thanks,
guit

Your cycle looks mild... but I suppose thats good for your first one... The only thing I think you should do is to add in HCG... since you are stopping all injectables at week 10... by week 13 you would be ready for 10 days of HCG @ 1000iu per day... then on the last day of HCG start your clomid/nolva therapy... oh... but only keep the clomid at 150... I dont think that 300mg is nesicary... get some HCG... its cheap.

your blood pressure will go up... if thats really a problem ... perhaps just monitoring sodium will help you out... but a slight increase in BP is normal when you are taking AAS.

hope that helps dude,

 

[ydrpysg]

i think your first cycle is too complicated. you can get some awesome gains on a 1st cycle with much less gear. I'd dump the winny and deca. Probably the proviron too. you probably won't really need hcg with a mild cycle. but it is nice to get the boys back in action quickly.

 

[Deacon]

I think it is a good cycle for a first timer except I would use something other than sus for my test. IMO sus should be shot eod to be effective and used at doses between 750 to 1000 per week.

Use enth or cyp and you can stay around that 500 per week mark easily.

 

[Tank01]

I beg to differ... I think hcg is necisary with this cycle... 10 weeks of test suppression plus 10 weeks of Deca suppression is a lot... Especialy with the deca... (very suppresive compound). Id keep using the provirion... If you have the money Id get some more... or get some Masteron (which acts in a fashion similar to proviron). The reason I say this is because Proviron and Masteron have a high affinity for SHBG... and if you were able to take that through the durration of your cycle (begining to end) you might increase the potency of the other AAS in the cycle (as more of them will be allowed to roam free in your bloodstream... instead of being rendered inert by SHBG). Do you need it? No... But you said you wanted to do things right the first time... You might as well cover all your bases. Id look into Liquidex also as an AI in small doses will help keep Testosterone from converting to Estrogen and Estrodiol in your body... nolvadex just blocks the estrogen receptor so you will have a higher amount of estrogen in your blood and a lower amount of test than possible... with an AI you prevent the estrogen/estrodiol from being formed in the first place by deactivating the aromatase enzyme in your body.

on the note of hcg, the longer that PCT takes you, the more chance you stand of losing some of the gains you attained durring your cycle. HCG+CLomid/nolva is a proven way to get your HPTA back up and running a lot faster than just clomid/nolva alone...

just somthing else you should think about...

you are very smart to do it right... you will be much more satisfied

On top of everything else, be safe, train hard, eat correctly!, and get enough rest and you will be very happy.

good luck bro,

 

[Tank01]

I think it is a good cycle for a first timer except I would use something other than sus for my test. IMO sus should be shot eod to be effective and used at doses between 750 to 1000 per week.

Use enth or cyp and you can stay around that 500 per week mark easily.

Im with Deacon on this... Enanthate would be my choice... but if sust is all you got... oh well

 

[guitarded]

thanks for the feedback guys. It amazes me how polarized opinions can be on this stuff. What one person says is the way to go is totally wrong by another's standards.
I realize by some people's standards this is a mild cycle, but for my first one, I wanted to go a little mild and see how my body reacts. I don't want to go bald, shrink my nuts, lose my sex drive, grow a mono brow and have massive acne all of a sudden lol. I'm not out to compete in bodybuilding etc. I just love working out and want to break through some barriers and reach some goals I set for myself a long time ago. I'm also hoping that some of the water retention will help ease some of the pain I've been getting in my hip-area connective tissues.

cheers and thanks,

 

[ijustmegdu]

you can also say your ass a stick a week by doing the decca just once a week. i just did the same cycle without the winni and prov. sust 2x was fine EOD can fuck up your levels more then they will be cuz of the different timing esters.

 

[4545]

I like the cycle it is well thought out.

 

[ydrpysg]

I beg to differ... I think hcg is necisary with this cycle... 10 weeks of test suppression plus 10 weeks of Deca suppression is a lot... Especialy with the deca... (very suppresive compound). Id keep using the provirion... If you have the money Id get some more... or get some Masteron (which acts in a fashion similar to proviron). The reason I say this is because Proviron and Masteron have a high affinity for SHBG... and if you were able to take that through the durration of your cycle (begining to end) you might increase the potency of the other AAS in the cycle (as more of them will be allowed to roam free in your bloodstream... instead of being rendered inert by SHBG). Do you need it? No... But you said you wanted to do things right the first time... You might as well cover all your bases. Id look into Liquidex also as an AI in small doses will help keep Testosterone from converting to Estrogen and Estrodiol in your body... nolvadex just blocks the estrogen receptor so you will have a higher amount of estrogen in your blood and a lower amount of test than possible... with an AI you prevent the estrogen/estrodiol from being formed in the first place by deactivating the aromatase enzyme in your body.

on the note of hcg, the longer that PCT takes you, the more chance you stand of losing some of the gains you attained durring your cycle. HCG+CLomid/nolva is a proven way to get your HPTA back up and running a lot faster than just clomid/nolva alone...

just somthing else you should think about...

you are very smart to do it right... you will be much more satisfied

On top of everything else, be safe, train hard, eat correctly!, and get enough rest and you will be very happy.

good luck bro,

if you stick with the deca, i agree with tank re: using hcg.

however, i'm sticking with my original opinion that you are using too much gear for a 1st cycle. you'll get great results with much less gear, and spend a lot less money. again, i'd dump the deca, provirion, and winny. also i'd use either test e or cyp rather than sust & have nolva on hand during cycle in case gyno should start up.

you can do the cycle you have planned but you'll probably be just as happy with a simpler and MUCH cheaper cycle.

 

[guitarded]

Yeah, it got kinda spendy in a hurry. The reason I threw in the winny tabs at the end was because a guy on another forum has had great results in keeping his gains by throwing it in at the end before pct.
My logic was this: If it helped him keep his gains from the injectables, it may help me and for a couple hundred bucks, it's worth it to me to find out how well it works for me...god knows I've spend a lot more than that over the years on useless, overpriced supplements.
This may sound naive, but my plan is to just do one or two cycles to try and put on about 20 lbs of muscle that will stay with me after it's all over. I don't want to keep getting bigger and bigger, but rather just get to about 240lbswith a less than 10% bf and maintain. Right now, my 1rm bench is about 265lbs, squat 1rm is about 365lbs. (I'm naturally skinny and have had to bust my ass just to put up those meager numbers lol) I am hoping that by the end of one or two cycles, I will reach my goals of benching 315 and squatting 405. We'll see how well I stick to this plan. I'm sure it will be a big mental battle to not keep cycling for that big boost.


thanks for your input guys.