MartinHaze
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So, "a friend of mine" has just started taking steroids. He has some concerns. Bit of a long post, I've highlighted the questions in bolded text. Hope you guys can help 
His goal would be to lose fat as primary objective. The diet should be somewhat decent in terms of nutrients and calories (was already losing, albeit slowly, some fat before starting with the steroids).
He decided to start "easy" with 100 mg of Testosterone Propionate every other day, Aromasin 12.5 mg every other day (his bloodwork showed elevated estrogens even before starting the exogenous steroids), and Winstrol 30 mg every day. Plan would be 8-12 weeks, but depending on how it goes it may continue longer.
He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, only drinks water, doesn't overkill the proteins intake. He would like to avoid liver and kidney failure.
First time injecting the 100 mg Testosterone Propionate (1 mL) was in the quads (22g needle). No immediate pain, no redness or swelling, and he could go do some normal deadlifts that same day few hours after the injection. However, few minutes after the injection, and then even 24 hours after it, the soreness/stiffness of the quad is very noticeable. He read that Testosterone Propionate is known to cause more "PIP" than other substances, and next time he'll inject in the gluts instead and hopefully it won't be as harsh.
Anyway, now he's wondering how long will it take for this "PIP" to subside.
He's also considering switching from Test-P to a different type of ester, something that requires less injections per week and possibly doesn't have "additives" (benzosomething) that are known to cause PIP. Is there any "protocol" to transition from Test-P to Test-whatever (Test-E maybe) ? He chose Test-P to start reaping the benefits as soon as possible (faster activation, "feel it in 2-3 days"), but other than that he doesn't have a reason to stick with it.
What he would like to do now is something like this: switch to Test-P + Test-E to build up blood concentration of Test-E; then after X time (enough for Test-E to be loaded in the body) switch to Test-E-only (higher concentration to make up for the lack of Test-P). I'm sure this can be done, but are there procotols, suggestions regarding it?
Another question, Winstrol. He's read that for liver's sake it should be discontinued after 4-6 weeks. Again, his liver is fine and doesn't get overloaded with other drugs, alcohol, or fatty foods. Would it be safe to push 30 mg every day of Winstrol for longer than 6 weeks (ideally 12, possibly at least 8) ?
Then, he plans to add Tren-A to the mix if everything is fine after a week or so from the start. He's aware that Tren is not beginners stuff, but he's desperate enough that he's still gonna do it. Having said that, how bad of an idea would it really be? He plans on 75 mg every other day for Tren-A, in addition to the 100 mg every other day Test-P (or equivalent in Test-E) and the 30 mg every day for Winstrol (+Aromasin prevention).
After discontinuing the Tren (4-8 weeks if everything goes right) he would probably continue with Test+Clenbuterol ("medium" does) (+Winstrol) for the final month.
Lastly, he would like to know what are (given these circumstances) good injection sites. He has read quite a list on the internet, and very conflicting opinions (as always). His case is a bit particular, because he cannot inject in one of his legs/gluts. So that leaves "one" quad, "one" buttock, and then the upper body. He read that re-using the same site multiple times a week (right now he'd need 3.5 injections a week) is not a good idea. So, can he "reuse" maybe the same glut more than once a week (every other injection in the same glut, maybe slightly different spot) ? He heard about deltoids, they are quite a pain to reach though (and not very sizeable in his case). How about traps?
He also read about lats, and even biceps/triceps. In general, which sites would you recommend, given that he pretty much can't use half of the most common sites (just one quad and just one glut) ?
Thanks in advance.
His goal would be to lose fat as primary objective. The diet should be somewhat decent in terms of nutrients and calories (was already losing, albeit slowly, some fat before starting with the steroids).
He decided to start "easy" with 100 mg of Testosterone Propionate every other day, Aromasin 12.5 mg every other day (his bloodwork showed elevated estrogens even before starting the exogenous steroids), and Winstrol 30 mg every day. Plan would be 8-12 weeks, but depending on how it goes it may continue longer.
He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, only drinks water, doesn't overkill the proteins intake. He would like to avoid liver and kidney failure.
First time injecting the 100 mg Testosterone Propionate (1 mL) was in the quads (22g needle). No immediate pain, no redness or swelling, and he could go do some normal deadlifts that same day few hours after the injection. However, few minutes after the injection, and then even 24 hours after it, the soreness/stiffness of the quad is very noticeable. He read that Testosterone Propionate is known to cause more "PIP" than other substances, and next time he'll inject in the gluts instead and hopefully it won't be as harsh.
Anyway, now he's wondering how long will it take for this "PIP" to subside.
He's also considering switching from Test-P to a different type of ester, something that requires less injections per week and possibly doesn't have "additives" (benzosomething) that are known to cause PIP. Is there any "protocol" to transition from Test-P to Test-whatever (Test-E maybe) ? He chose Test-P to start reaping the benefits as soon as possible (faster activation, "feel it in 2-3 days"), but other than that he doesn't have a reason to stick with it.
What he would like to do now is something like this: switch to Test-P + Test-E to build up blood concentration of Test-E; then after X time (enough for Test-E to be loaded in the body) switch to Test-E-only (higher concentration to make up for the lack of Test-P). I'm sure this can be done, but are there procotols, suggestions regarding it?
Another question, Winstrol. He's read that for liver's sake it should be discontinued after 4-6 weeks. Again, his liver is fine and doesn't get overloaded with other drugs, alcohol, or fatty foods. Would it be safe to push 30 mg every day of Winstrol for longer than 6 weeks (ideally 12, possibly at least 8) ?
Then, he plans to add Tren-A to the mix if everything is fine after a week or so from the start. He's aware that Tren is not beginners stuff, but he's desperate enough that he's still gonna do it. Having said that, how bad of an idea would it really be? He plans on 75 mg every other day for Tren-A, in addition to the 100 mg every other day Test-P (or equivalent in Test-E) and the 30 mg every day for Winstrol (+Aromasin prevention).
After discontinuing the Tren (4-8 weeks if everything goes right) he would probably continue with Test+Clenbuterol ("medium" does) (+Winstrol) for the final month.
Lastly, he would like to know what are (given these circumstances) good injection sites. He has read quite a list on the internet, and very conflicting opinions (as always). His case is a bit particular, because he cannot inject in one of his legs/gluts. So that leaves "one" quad, "one" buttock, and then the upper body. He read that re-using the same site multiple times a week (right now he'd need 3.5 injections a week) is not a good idea. So, can he "reuse" maybe the same glut more than once a week (every other injection in the same glut, maybe slightly different spot) ? He heard about deltoids, they are quite a pain to reach though (and not very sizeable in his case). How about traps?
He also read about lats, and even biceps/triceps. In general, which sites would you recommend, given that he pretty much can't use half of the most common sites (just one quad and just one glut) ?Thanks in advance.
