For those of you who don't want to to run more than TRT testosterone levels, how do you cycle?

[Zmitmex]

I should check this out. Might answer my questions.

Im assuming the 'TRT' these guys are talking about is with the main intent of buidling muscle?

The guys I mentioned are trying to help men with ALL side effects of low testosterone, not focusing on the muscle building alone (but definitely part of the equation). Don’t want to get in trouble with linking the the video (am I allowed to do that? I got banned on another forum because I asked about a specific brand I ordered, just being cautious because you guys are amazing here.)

The video is titled This Is The Real Reason Your TRT Isn’t working. Super good episode with Jason Ferruggia. Should answer a lot of your TRT related questions.

 

[jtmarlin]

100mg/week seems low to me for TRT. Dave Lee talks about optimizing your dose (IE finding the top dose that doesn’t produce side effects). But he and the guy over at Cortex labs have said some guys need as high as 300mg/wk (rare but many in the 250mg/wk range) to get the same as some guys get from 150-200mg. Not saying 100mg isn’t the right call but I’ve been working on getting my dose right with Dave’s help and I’ve settled into 250mg/wk to resolve symptoms (not cycle).

Muscle is packing on finally (life long strength athlete and shit gains to show for it). More so than that though is that my mental health is back and I feel healthier than ever. I would like to try replacement levels of HGH but haven’t gotten there.

All that to say I would keep everything the same and play with the test dosage. Dave’s made the point that if you’ve optimized your TRT dose you won’t really be craving more androgens in any form since you’re at the edges of what your body can productively use without disrupting other systems (that was in his interview with Dave Tate from EliteFTS if you’re curious to watch).

I have tried it so many ways for so.many years TRT. I have really low SHBG (doesnt matter how in inject I have done it weekly, daily twice a week) and my free t at trough on 140 was 30. I also could not keep my BP under 130. I have done 30mg per day, 200mg per week, 20mg per day, 80mg e3.5 day, 70mg e3.5d, every combo of HCG and adex you can think of. I have been doing this for over half a decade. What I have seen in the TRT space for men who more interested in replacement vs how much they can get away with as "optimization" is that the first camp truly wants to go as low as possible and still retaining the benefits. I dropped to 100mg per week.months ago and am just fine. My BP went down to sub 130, I stopped getting shoulder acne here and there and my libido is even better. My HDL went up double digits. I also am holding steady in gym at 5'8 200. Using TRT (not cycling) to build muscle for me is impossible anyways at this point. I have too much muscle that even 30mg per day (210 per week) won't do anything other than maintain what I have. If I want to build muscle I will take anabolics. I also just had BPH surgery so I definitely want to keep.my DHT and e2 out of higher range.

30mg per day 210 per week put me at 2000 total t, 45 free t, e2 60s. My HDL was 40 instead of now 60 on 100mg. My LDL was climbing (aI am on a statin and repatha now). Those numbers are way way way way too high to run long term and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

 

[jtmarlin]

Tren and pulsing orals.

This crossed my mind. I have never used tren but I stare at a bottle I have all the time and want to put 5-10mg in a syringe and roll.

 

[wp_375]

Its by far my favorite for effectiveness but I have had some sexual issues with it. Thay being said I have only run it with higher amounts of test.

There's your problem. For me and a lot of other people 50-80mg of Test plus Deca is the magic ratio. If I went over TRT amounts of Test with Deca I immediately got sides. 50mg Test and 300 Deca for me gave good gains, libido was great and diamond like boners. No BP issues either.

Aside from Deca (or orals that don't aromatize) the only thing I can think of is to run TRT Test + whatever amount of Primobolan you want + injectable Estradiol Cyp to keep your E2 where you want it. May take some experimenting but Primo is super mild, you could probably run TRT + 500mg of Primo and get good gains with little to no sides if you use the injectable E2 to keep your E2 right.

I also have low SHBG, mine is typically 10 or less.

 

[jtmarlin]

There's your problem. For me and a lot of other people 50-80mg of Test plus Deca is the magic ratio. If I went over TRT amounts of Test with Deca I immediately got sides. 50mg Test and 300 Deca for me gave good gains, libido was great and diamond like boners. No BP issues either.

Aside from Deca (or orals that don't aromatize) the only thing I can think of is to run TRT Test + whatever amount of Primobolan you want + injectable Estradiol Cyp to keep your E2 where you want it. May take some experimenting but Primo is super mild, you could probably run TRT + 500mg of Primo and get good gains with little to no sides if you use the injectable E2 to keep your E2 right.

I also have low SHBG, mine is typically 10 or less.

Thanks. Was looking for this. If you are on TRT what is your usual.dose?