FuriousWO
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Was at 75, backed down to 50 2 days ago
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Honestly even just 20-25mg of dbol qd should be plenty, assuming it's good. I wouldn't run it any higher than that, sides become more pronounced and at this point it sounds like its starting to harm performance in the gym. Drop to 25 and if you still feel like shit drop it completely.
FuriousWO
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I started at 25 for 3 weeks and felt little, so bumped to 75 assuming it was underdosed. 75 turns out to be too much, so that's how I came up with 50. Still think head back to 25?
I know you said you 'felt' little, but did you SEE any differences? Weight gain, strength etc...
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Personally that is how I would dose it. I wouldn't hesitate to drop it completely if it starts to negatively effect your training sessions at any effective dose though.
FuriousWO
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Hard to say when stacked with Tren. If I have to give a yes no answer, I'd say no... No affect
All negative side effects and no positives - id just bag it, may not be the drug for you. That bp shit scares me.
FuriousWO
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Yah you guys are right, thanks for the advice.
FuriousWO
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Finally back to the gym without skull ripping headaches. Sweet!
I was set on getting 225 on squats but it wasn't going to happen today. Fine whatever next time.
Squats
wux8
135x5
185x5
205x4x3
185x3x2
Db Lunges
20x10x8x8x8
T-Bar Row
90x10
115x10
125x10
135x5
Weighted Dips
bwx10
45x10x10x10
Chin up 7x8x6x3x6
Reverse Seated Cable Fly
15x10
20x10x10x10
Was short and sweet. Was feeling really gassed early on but better as it went on. There are times, very rare times, I wish I had a partner to push and keep intensity up.
I was set on getting 225 on squats but it wasn't going to happen today. Fine whatever next time.
Squats
wux8
135x5
185x5
205x4x3
185x3x2
Db Lunges
20x10x8x8x8
T-Bar Row
90x10
115x10
125x10
135x5
Weighted Dips
bwx10
45x10x10x10
Chin up 7x8x6x3x6
Reverse Seated Cable Fly
15x10
20x10x10x10
Was short and sweet. Was feeling really gassed early on but better as it went on. There are times, very rare times, I wish I had a partner to push and keep intensity up.
FuriousWO
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This gaining meaningful weight thing is hard. Since I did that one day of 7750 calories I've hit 5k every day but one, and that was cuz I was sick. But I'm losing weight again. 202.5 this morning. Talked to iron God and I'm going for 6k a day now, have to or I won't hit my goals ever.
Also the dbol bp spike in going to attribute to being sick and cold meds added to the mix. It's back "under control" and I'm back to 75mg ed PWO. Again this dbol is likely underdosed I'm NOT RECOMMENDING anyone take 75mg of dbol.
But lesson learned 75mg dbol and 100mg of suspension PWO can lead to horrendous forearm pumps when doing a lot of dumbbell work, you have been warned. I could only make it through chest last night before I could no longer grip anything. Went back first thing this morning to finish triceps. I bump the db weights by 5 and I'll keep moving them up now until I hit a wall
Chest/tri last night and this morning
Incline dB Bench
wux10
60x10
65x10x10
70x10
Flat DB Bench
70x10x10x10x10
Paused Dec dB bench
55x12x12x12x12
Inc dB fly (only 3 sets was having issues holding dbs and that scares me over my face lol)
35x10x10x10
Seated cable fly (FST 30 sec rest)
#8x12x12x12x12x12x12x12
Seated Cable Tricep Pullover
100x12
110x12x12x12
Tricep P/D
60x10
65x10x10x10
Rope P/D (FST 30 sec rest)
45x12x12x10
40x12x10
35x12x12
Btw on these FST sets I use the stopwatch on my phone to time them, I'm militant about the 30-45 secs rest.
Also the dbol bp spike in going to attribute to being sick and cold meds added to the mix. It's back "under control" and I'm back to 75mg ed PWO. Again this dbol is likely underdosed I'm NOT RECOMMENDING anyone take 75mg of dbol.
But lesson learned 75mg dbol and 100mg of suspension PWO can lead to horrendous forearm pumps when doing a lot of dumbbell work, you have been warned. I could only make it through chest last night before I could no longer grip anything. Went back first thing this morning to finish triceps. I bump the db weights by 5 and I'll keep moving them up now until I hit a wall
Chest/tri last night and this morning
Incline dB Bench
wux10
60x10
65x10x10
70x10
Flat DB Bench
70x10x10x10x10
Paused Dec dB bench
55x12x12x12x12
Inc dB fly (only 3 sets was having issues holding dbs and that scares me over my face lol)
35x10x10x10
Seated cable fly (FST 30 sec rest)
#8x12x12x12x12x12x12x12
Seated Cable Tricep Pullover
100x12
110x12x12x12
Tricep P/D
60x10
65x10x10x10
Rope P/D (FST 30 sec rest)
45x12x12x10
40x12x10
35x12x12
Btw on these FST sets I use the stopwatch on my phone to time them, I'm militant about the 30-45 secs rest.
What are your stats FWO? Barring a medical condition or an extremely, and I mean extremely, active job and lifestyle I see no reason you should be losing weight at 5K+ cals a day. Are you sure you're accurately recording what you eat? Could your portion sizes be off leading you to eat less than you think? Also if gaining weight is this hard I would suggest you tweak your workouts so as to burn less calories during them.
I will tolerate a 1lb or 2 swing but if i don't average at least 3lbs up in a week i know im not getting enough grub.
Your volume is pretty steep, so like doc said you may burning through a lot of what you really need just to recover - i suspect this is a big part of it, at least it was true for me. You may find better gains in a bit more high intensity less volume approach with a fst7 type set at the end of each body part to pump the muscle out. I think that's how Rambod originally set FST7 up, cant remember exactly.
Your volume is pretty steep, so like doc said you may burning through a lot of what you really need just to recover - i suspect this is a big part of it, at least it was true for me. You may find better gains in a bit more high intensity less volume approach with a fst7 type set at the end of each body part to pump the muscle out. I think that's how Rambod originally set FST7 up, cant remember exactly.
FuriousWO
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I just did measurements now
5'11
202.5lbs
Shoulders 51.75
Chest 44
Waist 37.5 ( I just ate a dbl meat Chipotle burrito )
Bicep 16.5
Thigh 24
Calf 15.5
I'm anal about weighing and measuring my food. The only real variable would be if my fitness pal is wrong but I double checked the values of this a long time back and the nutritional informational was correct.
My job is sitting on my ass in front of my laptop so very inactive [emoji38]
5'11
202.5lbs
Shoulders 51.75
Chest 44
Waist 37.5 ( I just ate a dbl meat Chipotle burrito )
Bicep 16.5
Thigh 24
Calf 15.5
I'm anal about weighing and measuring my food. The only real variable would be if my fitness pal is wrong but I double checked the values of this a long time back and the nutritional informational was correct.
My job is sitting on my ass in front of my laptop so very inactive [emoji38]
What everyone is saying is true... if you back down on volume gaining is easier. People don't understand the volume and recovery involved in this fst7... but if you shove in enough calories the results are amazing. Perhaps Drop one lift for each muscle group, so drop two lifts (8 sets) each day.
MFP has been wrong before so always double check and verify with labels whenever possible. Let's assume it's right and you record everything perfectly. Only other possible scenarios are you have a hyperactive metabolism, hyperthyroidism or something along those lines, or you're just burning too many cals during your workouts and outside of work.
A very wise coach, Mike Tuscherer, says intensity is what determines what your training stimulus will do. Whether it's gains in strength, size, endurance, speed, etc is all determined by the intensity of your workouts. Volume is what determines the magnitude of that effect meaning how much of one or each of those effects.
While trying to bulk you need to eat calories in excess but only more than you're burning. By doing high volume workouts you're burning more calories than if you cut back volume, increase intensity, and concentrated on the big lifts. So little time between sets works endurance and keeps hear rate high. Faster heart rate means an increased caloric expenditure usually.
We all go through ups and downs. Keep consistent and overall you will gain in the end. Some days you hold more water or whatever than others or you happen to take a 3 pound shit before you weigh in. Keep at it and don't give up. I had to stop weighing in daily because it fucked with my head. All these guys have great advice. Just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Work on staying healthy and feeling good and the rest will follow suit. Your making awesome progress.
Not giving up is key. I have had so many things fuck with my head- the scale, injuries, bunk gear, missed lifts and plateaus- the body that seems small in the mirror. I have a few guys that bring me back to earth and say "HEY DICKHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN LIFTING FOR 2 1/2 YEARS!". I brought myself from a fat 268 down to to 240 natty, and now I wake up at 273 on a cruise. My bench went from 115 to 400. My squat went from 95lbs to 450. My deadlift went from 185 to 545. I'm pushing for 290 this next blast - a 450 bench and 600 dead are mine before winter on straight hypertrophy training.
Furious- you have put INCHES on your measurements in a month. You completely reinvented your squat and deadlift. Your diet is that of a person detrmined to win. You are a beast among men and you won't even recognize yourself in pictures in six months as long as you play it safe. I am proud to call you a good friend.
This place is fucking great. I have met some of the biggest influences in my life here... jb, doc, pmac, mands, masters power- and the people I haven't met that are a big part of my life- ben, cbs, Dr jim, colt, bickel, odie, vol and everyone else. You can't go wrong with all this support and experience at your fingertips here...
Keep at it furious- give yourself a pat on the back. Matter of fact give me ten sets of ten pats on the back. Then go eat motherfucker.
Furious- you have put INCHES on your measurements in a month. You completely reinvented your squat and deadlift. Your diet is that of a person detrmined to win. You are a beast among men and you won't even recognize yourself in pictures in six months as long as you play it safe. I am proud to call you a good friend.
This place is fucking great. I have met some of the biggest influences in my life here... jb, doc, pmac, mands, masters power- and the people I haven't met that are a big part of my life- ben, cbs, Dr jim, colt, bickel, odie, vol and everyone else. You can't go wrong with all this support and experience at your fingertips here...
Keep at it furious- give yourself a pat on the back. Matter of fact give me ten sets of ten pats on the back. Then go eat motherfucker.
I love this log. Nothing said here that I cannot relate to.
FuriousWO
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Let me try 6k first before cutting volume. I'm seeing gains now that I'm comparing to my precycle stats.
6/7 187.5
Shoulders 50
Chest 44
Waist 36
Bicep 15.75
Thigh 23
Calf 15
The stats are a little misleading on 6/7 that was my last day of cutting. After that I kicked up the calories a lot and put on about 7 pounds. I started this blast at 194 I think. Anyway overall since 6/7 to today I've made the following gains
Shoulders +1.75"
Chest 0
Bicep +0.75"
Thigh +1.0"
Calf +0.5"
6/7 187.5
Shoulders 50
Chest 44
Waist 36
Bicep 15.75
Thigh 23
Calf 15
The stats are a little misleading on 6/7 that was my last day of cutting. After that I kicked up the calories a lot and put on about 7 pounds. I started this blast at 194 I think. Anyway overall since 6/7 to today I've made the following gains
Shoulders +1.75"
Chest 0
Bicep +0.75"
Thigh +1.0"
Calf +0.5"
FuriousWO
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Thanks everyone for following along, providing support and kicks in the ass when needed. I know why Brutus insisted I run a log. Damn glad I'm doing it
