GH and food intake, does it matter?

[groovymf]

Since serum levels peak at around 4 hours when injecting subq, so should I even care about not eating or not for an hour or 2?

I see advice to not eat for 1 or 2 hours after injection or around injection time and to keep an empty stomach. However, it seems to take a good 10-12 hours after administration to reach blood serum baseline values again.

Does it really matter to take into account carb/food intake around administration time?

Does anyone understand the precise relation of GH to insuline taking into account the absorption time of subq administration?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

@Type-IIx

 

[Justaguy99]

I've read crazy amounts and still have no idea best time for Bulking vs fat loss.

The fat loss thread type ii started is awesome

 

[Type-IIx]

@Type-IIx

Since serum levels peak at around 4 hours when injecting subq, so should I even care about not eating or not for an hour or 2?

I see advice to not eat for 1 or 2 hours after injection or around injection time and to keep an empty stomach. However, it seems to take a good 10-12 hours after administration to reach blood serum baseline values again.

Does it really matter to take into account carb/food intake around administration time?

Does anyone understand the precise relation of GH to insuline taking into account the absorption time of subq administration?

Rather than being concerned by rhGH pharmacokinetics (GH blood changes), look instead at pharmacodynamics (e.g., effects on serum FFAs).

This thread provides an rhGH lipolysis protocol that is designed around the changes to serum FFAs that reflect systemic insulin resistance induced by GH effects on hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL): A GH and fat loss protocol (rhGH lipolysis) that is science-based

Rather than changes to serum GH, what matters with respect to timing aerobic endurance exercise/LISS/zone 2 & nutrient intakes around an rhGH bolus is liberation of these FFAs (for use as fuel in LISS) & insulin resistance, that follows an oscillating, rhythymic pattern.

 

[Fattyone]

Rather than being concerned by rhGH pharmacokinetics (GH blood changes), look instead at pharmacodynamics (e.g., effects on serum FFAs).

This thread provides an rhGH lipolysis protocol that is designed around the changes to serum FFAs that reflect systemic insulin resistance induced by GH effects on hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL): A GH and fat loss protocol (rhGH lipolysis) that is science-based

Rather than changes to serum GH, what matters with respect to timing aerobic endurance exercise/LISS/zone 2 & nutrient intakes around an rhGH bolus is liberation of these FFAs (for use as fuel in LISS) & insulin resistance, that follows an oscillating, rhythymic pattern.

What about for muscle growth in a surplus?

I’ve been doing a couple iu’s 1 hour IM pre workout and then eating again after my workout is over.

And yes, I know the answer is in your book.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What about for muscle growth in a surplus?

I’ve been doing a couple iu’s 1 hour IM pre workout and then eating again after my workout is over.

And yes, I know the answer is in your book.

Most important thing is almost always going to be dose and consistency. I’m personally splitting it fasted and post workout with slin prior to eating.

 

[Fattyone]

Most important thing is almost always going to be dose and consistency. I’m personally splitting it fasted and post workout with slin prior to eating.

A lot of the info I’m finding (related to gaining) also includes insulin. It’s hard to find decent info for us tiny’s who don’t use slin lol

As for the dose, it’s rather small, still using some at night pre bed. Just trying to hit it from every angle and make the most out of this blast. Food and gym are in order.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

A lot of the info I’m finding (related to gaining) also includes insulin. It’s hard to find decent info for us tiny’s who don’t use slin lol

As for the dose, it’s rather small, still using some at night pre bed. Just trying to hit it from every angle and make the most out of this blast. Food and gym are in order.

If you’re using GH with tissue accrual in mind, some insulin seems almost no-brainer. I think the synergy is too great to ignore and that GH alone likely isn’t fantastic alone for mass, but it can keep you leaner when eating more which is a net positive so long as you don’t get resistant.

 

[Fattyone]

If you’re using GH with tissue accrual in mind, some insulin seems almost no-brainer. I think the synergy is too great to ignore and that GH alone likely isn’t fantastic alone for mass, but it can keep you leaner when eating more which is a net positive so long as you don’t get resistant.

I’d like to, just not sure about it. Hell I don’t even know where to get the kind bodybuilders use

 

[juicebro]

If you’re using GH with tissue accrual in mind, some insulin seems almost no-brainer. I think the synergy is too great to ignore and that GH alone likely isn’t fantastic alone for mass, but it can keep you leaner when eating more which is a net positive so long as you don’t get resistant.

When you take GH and insulin together at the same time you need more insulin than you would without the GH for the same effect, right?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

When you take GH and insulin together at the same time you need more insulin than you would without the GH for the same effect, right?

I don’t take them together. I wait ~45 mins. It’s an attempt to minimize having to offset your body’s unwillingness to produce insulin when GH is floating around. I would separate them as much as makes sense when possible.

 

[Type-IIx]

A lot of the info I’m finding (related to gaining) also includes insulin. It’s hard to find decent info for us tiny’s who don’t use slin lol

As for the dose, it’s rather small, still using some at night pre bed. Just trying to hit it from every angle and make the most out of this blast. Food and gym are in order.

I've got a book coming that discusses the topic.

 

[Fattyone]

I've got a book coming that discusses the topic.

I don’t think you do.

 

[buck]

Seems most pros just take it when it is their habit to or when they remember. I find trying to micromanage the human body is usually a waste of time.

 

[Fattyone]

Seems most pros just take it when it is their habit to or when they remember.

I’m not a pro and I don’t know any personally but I’m gonna guess they most certainly do take it strategically time wise.

 

[buck]

I’m not a pro and I don’t know any personally but I’m gonna guess they most certainly do take it strategically time wise.

I am just going by what they post on line or in their podcast.

 

[Avarice911]

I’m team “don’t overthink it and just get it in”

 

[Cats13]

I’ve always done no food minimum 45 mins post morning injections

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Seems most pros just take it when it is their habit to or when they remember. I find trying to micromanage the human body is usually a waste of time.

A tad more planned than this but this will always be the most important thing; just get it in consistently every day.

The timing/planning is typically most important for avoiding shit like overwhelming lethargy or insulin resistance.

 

[Juicedhead]

Since serum levels peak at around 4 hours when injecting subq, so should I even care about not eating or not for an hour or 2?

I see advice to not eat for 1 or 2 hours after injection or around injection time and to keep an empty stomach. However, it seems to take a good 10-12 hours after administration to reach blood serum baseline values again.

Does it really matter to take into account carb/food intake around administration time?

Does anyone understand the precise relation of GH to insuline taking into account the absorption time of subq administration?

honestly man you won't notice a difference or it would be so minimal it wouldn't matter. take it at a time you think it'll work best besides gh is to increase igf-1 which hangs around for a while anyway. I take my insulin and gh after I train I was told to do this by a very smart prep coach he coaches pros top level pros one of his guys just won a pro show so I do it post training. I would say no it doesn't matter, your food intake around administration I mean.