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Mkace13

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Hey guys, I am wondering if there are any safe alternatives to BB or BA? I am allergic to any Benzyl compound. My neck gets very red and I get random rashes on my body depending on how much I inject. I currently brew my own gear and use the smallest amounts that I can get away with and the reaction is currently very slight but if I could just substitute them all together with other compounds I would like to do that. Thanks.
 
I know of one pharma brand in spain (Testex Elmu 250) that has Chloroform instead of BB. As for the BA I can´t really tell.
The BA in multiple use preparations is hard to not have. If you could make single dose preparations with 100% sterility, then you can skip the BA.
 
Mkace13 said:
Hey guys, I am wondering if there are any safe alternatives to BB or BA? I am allergic to any Benzyl compound. My neck gets very red and I get random rashes on my body depending on how much I inject. I currently brew my own gear and use the smallest amounts that I can get away with and the reaction is currently very slight but if I could just substitute them all together with other compounds I would like to do that. Thanks.
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Test E can be injected without ba or bb. It would have to be single use amps and it’ll be thick but it can be done.

Or just brew like 200mg/ml test e in mct with only 1% BA of .05%. No bb
 
nightprowler7 said:
Test E can be injected without ba or bb. It would have to be single use amps and it’ll be thick but it can be done.

Or just brew like 200mg/ml test e in mct with only 1% BA of .05%. No bb
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I've always been curious as to if bb is needed or not. As far as I know BB is only there to act as a solvent and nothing else. So in theory if you can completely dissolve a compound in say mig 840 would it be fine to inject as long as it is not crystalized.

I mainly ask because I think I was able to make a winstrol injectable in 100% mig 840 but haven't tested it.
 
VakarianSK said:
I've always been curious as to if bb is needed or not. As far as I know BB is only there to act as a solvent and nothing else. So in theory if you can completely dissolve a compound in say mig 840 would it be fine to inject as long as it is not crystalized.

I mainly ask because I think I was able to make a winstrol injectable in 100% mig 840 but haven't tested it.
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Test E is a liquid at room temp. So it wouldn’t be crashing without bb at a low concentration
 
Test E is pippy I would not use it

Ba is replaced by chlorobutanol
Bb can be replaced by a combination of mig40 and a little but of ethyl oleate
 
Exhortae said:
Test E is pippy I would not use it

Ba is replaced by chlorobutanol
Bb can be replaced by a combination of mig40 and a little but of ethyl oleate
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chlorobutanol is a solid at room temperature so it might not contribute to dissolving the raws the same way as BA does.... Have not found any references about this....
Also it is still a skin irritant and hepatotoxic like BA but who knows maybe it will not cause a reaction in OP
 
Mkace13 said:
Hey guys, I am wondering if there are any safe alternatives to BB or BA? I am allergic to any Benzyl compound. My neck gets very red and I get random rashes on my body depending on how much I inject. I currently brew my own gear and use the smallest amounts that I can get away with and the reaction is currently very slight but if I could just substitute them all together with other compounds I would like to do that. Thanks.
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Filter and make a bunch of one time injectable vials.

I do wonder if test D 200 can be achieved without BB
 
Exhortae said:
Test E is pippy I would not use it

Ba is replaced by chlorobutanol
Bb can be replaced by a combination of mig40 and a little but of ethyl oleate
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Tho mig and eo can also cause allergic reactions. I've seen that in around 30% people when I first brewed with mig840. People would get rash, lumps the size of the fist and some would even get fever.

It's too bad because Mig840 it great to work with and super good for injecting...
 
Quite often not heating enough doesn't convert all the acid out so pip happens. If your rash and such is minimal just keep going, I would take that over MIG840/EO/Gui/etc.

If you want to spring for chlorobutanol then go for it. It is used in my script Deletestral 200 in Canada with sesame oil. This is brand name pharma product so human grade and I don't see any info at all regarding a solvent however I need to review the insert in the box before I commit to saying no solvents. Wouldn't be surprised though as I have made test E with next to nothing for BB and it worked like a charm. A massive pharma company could be doing anything to manufacture, just changing pressure changes things as much as changing temperature.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Filter and make a bunch of one time injectable vials.

I do wonder if test D 200 can be achieved without BB
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I will bet you yes. I have made test d with 5% BB at 200mg/ml and thought it wasn't needed. I also made test d with 18% BB at 500mg/ml and it was PIP free. Same MO for all my test brews- heat to 195deg C and hold for 10mins then add 1.5%BA and the oil and reheat to 195deg C and hold 10mins. Watch like a hawk to never exceed 200deg C so that I have 5 extra degrees leeway on the BA evaporating really quickly.
 
MfgEng said:
O man if someone is not heating WAY beyond 50deg C then say hello to PIP as there would be a ton of acid in there. I take mine to 195deg C and hold to fully convert the acid before I add the medium.
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Where this clown is coming from?
 
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