GH Recommendations for improved body composition / fat loss / anti-aging / sleep

[Jin23]

@Jin23 but GH also increases insulin resistance. bit of a paradox long term. ?

If you fuck up, yes, otherwise, no.

GH is great for cutting. In a caloric surplus with tons of carbs, it's stupid.

For sleep you want GHRH (cjc1295 or mod grf).

 

[clearheaded]

do we know that or is it just an educated guess? or do you know folks who have run high HGH for many years and never had to take insulin? or do you discount those as prob took hgh while cruising/bulking too? again, not trying to argue as you obv have far more knowledge on this, I am just curious. obv BETTER ways, but 90% foolproof?

what's interesting, and it actually may of been you who said this, is that high endogenous hgh in mice reliably speeds aging cognitive decline death etc. and this sorta makes sense, big dogs die quicker than small dogs. mice with less hgh live longer and smarter lives. even in humans the oldest humans tend to be small in those blue zones, small asian people, small short Italian ladies... of course not 100% just hgh levels but likely related and also have less diabetes of course partially due to diet, but many races are more susceptible to diabetes and 9/10 are on higher end of height. yes anecdote at best, just interesting how it lines up.

do I still want more hgh for sleep energy wellbeing, yup lol.. just need to be informed.

 

[clearheaded]

lol and YET brand new study showing grhelin/ghgh sectretaloge increases longevity in mice... would love to have this explained to me. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.13787

 

[may2021]

@Jin23 but GH also increases insulin resistance. bit of a paradox long term. ?

@may2021 I agree POSSSIBLE less chance of lowering production of GH once stopped wi secreatalogues. BUT depends on which peptide, ie are you inducing a stress like PTSD response? does that usually affect hormones in various ways long term when people have natural UBER high hormones for a time (I know over simplification) but I think we know PTSD messes with hormones long term and is simply from getting HIGH HORMONES, obv something good to check with someone who knows more about this. just because no direct studies like GH we can assume similar outcome. remember mice with genetic changes affecting GH recreation (like peptides) also aged faster and lost cognitive function faster and I think were they get alot of the ideas of harms of GH from vs actual exogenous injections(ie actually very possible HGH is far safer long term esp as can control dosage vs being like a mouse who secretes to much and gets stupid and dies sooner).. I dont have extensive knowledge and haven't been around along to see guys who have been on GH for years get diabetes (but know it is pretty common) or cancer, just that they die younger but could be from host of other drugs wi body composition.

Again, I agree.
We take a huge jump from rat models to human outcomes in all testing, and unless replicated with the same outcome, whose to say that likely, a large percentage of the singular studies used as the basis for commonly accepted practices weren't fudged to begin with.

So, we're all sort of rats when we're taking anything.

 

[TexasT]

I would not train fasted. I would want to send her most of your carbs around your workout pre-intraim post to maximize performance in the gym.

Do cardio fasted with HGH and then eat and then train that would be a good approach. Take the gh a little bit before you do cardio.

2iu is a great dose. I'd either do pre fasted cardio or before bed. If fasted cardio isn't an option, take it before bed

No need to cycle off

Berberine and metformin are not needed

This

Do it correctly and keep it simple enough to stick with it for the long haul. Don’t overcomplicate your training, diet and pharma protocol, people.

 

[TRBL_D]

@Jin23 but GH also increases insulin resistance. bit of a paradox long term. ?

@may2021 I agree POSSSIBLE less chance of lowering production of GH once stopped wi secreatalogues. BUT depends on which peptide, ie are you inducing a stress like PTSD response? does that usually affect hormones in various ways long term when people have natural UBER high hormones for a time (I know over simplification) but I think we know PTSD messes with hormones long term and is simply from getting HIGH HORMONES, obv something good to check with someone who knows more about this. just because no direct studies like GH we can assume similar outcome. remember mice with genetic changes affecting GH recreation (like peptides) also aged faster and lost cognitive function faster and I think were they get alot of the ideas of harms of GH from vs actual exogenous injections(ie actually very possible HGH is far safer long term esp as can control dosage vs being like a mouse who secretes to much and gets stupid and dies sooner).. I dont have extensive knowledge and haven't been around along to see guys who have been on GH for years get diabetes (but know it is pretty common) or cancer, just that they die younger but could be from host of other drugs wi body composition.

I took 25mg of mk677 for like a year. Can’t tell if it was the 677, the heroin or the meth but I’m definitely retarded but I didn’t die or get cancer which is a plus. I’ll let y’all know how gh goes