Girly's going Nomad

[GirlyMan]

I grew up watching William F. Buckley on Firing Line. He's why I've been a registered Republican my entire voting life. He's turning over in his grave right now at the lack of rational rhetoric and appeal to ignorance and fear happening in my party now.

So I figured I'd start keeping a list of why Girly's going Nomad. But I'm not turning in my colors 'cause I still like voting in the primaries for Ron Paul. I realize he'd be disastrous as President but it gives me great gratification and solace to vote for someone who actually still stands by their principles.

1) Abortion - Unless you've willingly shitted out a duckpin bowling ball, shut the fuck up.
2) Christianity - Went to parochial school for K-12. I've read the Bible cover-to-cover more times than you. Reasoned for myself long ago that the promise of a postmortem preservation of identity was delusional bullshit. If you've read just the red letters of the Red Letter Version of the New Testament and live by them, I'll listen. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
3) Homosexuality - Worry about where you're sticking your own dick and shut the fuck up.
4) Gay Marriage - Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?
5) Union Busting - If you wind up at the bottom of the Hudson river wearing cement shoes you might've had it coming.
6) Social Safety Nets - If you cut off support for the poor and downtrodden they will show up at your door with pitchforks and torches to take your shit. I know my GirlyAss would.

I'm sure I have more.

 

[zkt]

You think that a 12 year old girl who is raped by Neanderthals should have the baby and love and care for it for the rest of her life?
I gotta have misread you.
Otherwise we are in perfect agreemant.

 

[GirlyMan]

You think that a 12 year old girl who is raped by Neanderthals should have the baby and love and care for it for the rest of her life?

Neanderthals have put her in a position to make a call long before she's prepared for it emotionally or intellectually. Nevertheless, it's still her call. I had a front-row seat to the birth of all 4 of my children. Any man commenting on abortion should just shut the fuck up.

 

[zkt]

Neanderthals have put her in a position to make a call long before she's prepared for it emotionally or intellectually. Nevertheless, it's still her call. I had a front-row seat to the birth of all 4 of my children. Any man commenting on abortion should just shut the fuck up.

I`ll shut the fuck up when I understand where you`re coming from.
If its her call then she can can elect to not have it.
I think they call it womens reproductive rights.

cheers

 

[ergomaniac]

I`ll shut the fuck up when I understand where you`re coming from.
If its her call then she can can elect to not have it.
I think they call it womens reproductive rights.

cheers

yes please clarify.
shitting out a duckpin bowling ball is confusing.
legal or not. it will happen.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20110119_W__Phila_abortion_doc_indicted.html round here id called him a murder.

 

[ergomaniac]

and that wasnt the whole post. time frames. edits. damn you.

 

[GirlyMan]

If its her call then she can can elect to not have it.

Yes. Regardless of whether "can elect not to have it" refers to the baby or the medical procedure. That's what "It's her call" means.

yes please clarify.
shitting out a duckpin bowling ball is confusing.
legal or not. it will happen.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20110119_W__Phila_abortion_doc_indicted.html round here id called him a murder.

Okay, I'll try to make my position clearer but it's still gonna get muddied by ergo's post.

I watched my wife spew 4 duckpin bowling balls out of her vagina. Like zkt said, it's a women's health issue I liken (rightly or not) to other women's health issues like treating menopause, mastectomies (preventive or otherwise), the morning after pill, tubal ligation, et al. I impregnated my wife for a 5th time and her progressively-worse-after-each-child postpartum depression was so bad after the 4th child that she felt her life was in danger. (If there's one thing I understand well, it's the contemplation of suicide.) When I took her in to get the D&C and tubal ligation the hospital asked me if I consented (they must've been required to do so legally). I said, "It's not my call." That qualified as consent. After seeing what my wife went through no man should even be commenting on abortion unless they are willing to shit out duckpin bowling balls and deal with seriously fucked up hormonal issues for several months after. We are not in a position to comment. It's not our call. I refuse to even have an opinion.

As far as ergo's post, Dude was clearly guilty of negligent homicide. ... And I can't think of anything else to say about that.

Not sure how much that clears up what I find to be particularly murky territory, but at least it might clear up where I'm coming from.

and that wasnt the whole post. time frames. edits. damn you.

Should we move on to my next objection, or do we still need to spend more time on the first one?

 

[zkt]

Should we move on to my next objection, or do we still need to spend more time on the first one?

You clearly have some strong feeling about the subject. Its a clinical issue to me. Your call.

 

[Bridger]

Yeah, im not really clear as to what your opinion is on abortion either.

On the one hand, you say its a woman's choice and something about duckpin bowling balls?

Then you say we should shut the fuck up and how you don't allow yourself to have an opinion on the matter.

 

[ergomaniac]

Yes. Regardless of whether "can elect not to have it" refers to the baby or the medical procedure. That's what "It's her call" means.



Okay, I'll try to make my position clearer but it's still gonna get muddied by ergo's post.

I watched my wife spew 4 duckpin bowling balls out of her vagina. Like zkt said, it's a women's health issue I liken (rightly or not) to other women's health issues like treating menopause, mastectomies (preventive or otherwise), the morning after pill, tubal ligation, et al. I impregnated my wife for a 5th time and her progressively-worse-after-each-child postpartum depression was so bad after the 4th child that she felt her life was in danger. (If there's one thing I understand well, it's the contemplation of suicide.) When I took her in to get the D&C and tubal ligation the hospital asked me if I consented (they must've been required to do so legally). I said, "It's not my call." That qualified as consent. After seeing what my wife went through no man should even be commenting on abortion unless they are willing to shit out duckpin bowling balls and deal with seriously fucked up hormonal issues for several months after. We are not in a position to comment. It's not our call. I refuse to even have an opinion.

As far as ergo's post, Dude was clearly guilty of negligent homicide. ... And I can't think of anything else to say about that.

Not sure how much that clears up what I find to be particularly murky territory, but at least it might clear up where I'm coming from.



Should we move on to my next objection, or do we still need to spend more time on the first one?

muddied how. as if that was crystal clear to begin with. i wasnt the only one with questions.
dude inst guilty of negligent homicide. hes got double digit murder charges. some are calling for the death penalty. he ran an underground abortion clinic. and beyond. so if abortion is illegal, these things become more commonplace. not understanding what you were saying, i guess i tried to point that out. maybe too dramatic. but unregulated is unsanitarity, dangerous, and unscrupulous. whether anyone agrees with her decision or not. i would say pro choice. but not really pro abortion. id rather not read a story like that again. ive never willingly shitted out a duck pin bowling ball. never will. whats a duckpin bowling ball? so ill shut the fuck up. any man commenting on abortion should shut the fuck up. including a girlyman? whatever. ill shut the fuck up. dont think its that simple though. opinions are like assholes. and either i got a lot of them, or im just one big one. and your in a totally different boat than me. maybe more than most people. and the wife too.
everything else im good with. really i didnt mean to muddy. or whatever. next objection...opcorn:

 

[GirlyMan]

You clearly have some strong feeling about the subject. Its a clinical issue to me. Your call.

Nope. I don't have strong feelings about abortion (or religion, or homosexuality, or gay marriage). It is a women's health issue to me as well. What I do have strong feelings about is the degree of attention and focus the Republican party is currently giving to it and other "Values Voter" issues. The party used to be about fiscal responsibility and finding the right balance between the competing needs of individual liberty and Government involvement and mediation to avoid Mad Max anarchy and the ravages of unregulated, unfettered raw capitalism. Recently the party has become all about coddling to the "Values Voter" assuming that the traditional conservative will just go along with a wink and a nod. It's gonna be in for a rude awakening if it continues tacking this way.

That's kinda the point of why I started this thread. ... I probably coulda done a better job if I had just stated this up front instead of trying to play tongue-in-cheek. My bad.

 

[zkt]

Nope. I don't have strong feelings about abortion (or religion, or homosexuality, or gay marriage). It is a women's health issue to me as well. What I do have strong feelings about is the degree of attention and focus the Republican party is currently giving to it and other "Values Voter" issues. The party used to be about fiscal responsibility and finding the right balance between the competing needs of individual liberty and Government involvement and mediation to avoid Mad Max anarchy and the ravages of unregulated, unfettered raw capitalism. Recently the party has become all about coddling to the "Values Voter" assuming that the traditional conservative will just go along with a wink and a nod. It's gonna be in for a rude awakening if it continues tacking this way.

That's kinda the point of why I started this thread. ... I probably coulda done a better job if I had just stated this up front instead of trying to play tongue-in-cheek. My bad.

Couldnt agree with you more. I was raised as a Presbyterian and Republican. Chucked both concepts at about the same time. IMHO there are two kinds of republicans: those who have the money and power, know what they are doing and run the show and the Wannabes who fall for increasingly more ludricous con jobs. The later are by far the majority.

 

[GirlyMan]

Couldnt agree with you more. I was raised as a Presbyterian and Republican. Chucked both concepts at about the same time.

I rejected the promise of a postmortem preservation of identity long before my conservatism which is still hanging on by a thread. ... barely.

IMHO there are two kinds of republicans: those who have the money and power, know what they are doing and run the show and the Wannabes who fall for increasingly more ludricous con jobs. The later are by far the majority.

10 years ago I would've called you a cynic. Nowadays, with the recent attacks on education by Republican-held state legislatures I'm almost tempted to call you a realist. Education is by far the strongest individual defense against the situation you are describing. So we better quash it quick. ... Yeah, that fucking thread I'm hanging by is starting to stretch past its limit.

 

[james2012]

I grew up watching William F. Buckley on Firing Line. He's why I've been a registered Republican my entire voting life. He's turning over in his grave right now at the lack of rational rhetoric and appeal to ignorance and fear happening in my party now.

So I figured I'd start keeping a list of why Girly's going Nomad. But I'm not turning in my colors 'cause I still like voting in the primaries for Ron Paul. I realize he'd be disastrous as President but it gives me great gratification and solace to vote for someone who actually still stands by their principles.

1) Abortion - Unless you've willingly shitted out a duckpin bowling ball, shut the fuck up.
2) Christianity - Went to parochial school for K-12. I've read the Bible cover-to-cover more times than you. Reasoned for myself long ago that the promise of a postmortem preservation of identity was delusional bullshit. If you've read just the red letters of the Red Letter Version of the New Testament and live by them, I'll listen. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
3) Homosexuality - Worry about where you're sticking your own dick and shut the fuck up.
4) Gay Marriage - Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?
5) Union Busting - If you wind up at the bottom of the Hudson river wearing cement shoes you might've had it coming.
6) Social Safety Nets - If you cut off support for the poor and downtrodden they will show up at your door with pitchforks and torches to take your shit. I know my GirlyAss would.

I'm sure I have more.

Agreed with you on most points. Item 6 shows your ignorance. Ask Europe how this is going to pan out for them. Start with Greece. Go ahead and show up with pitchforks. If you don't adopt austerity then everyone will be poor because nobody is going to bail your sorry ass out. As far as the United States goes - nobody CAN bail our sorry ass out. So then everyone has pitchforks. As far as unions, why the hell should MY tax dollars fend a union pension fund for federal workers? Do they fund mine? Hell no. Unions were once useful, they have now become, like everything else political, nothing but partisan half-wit hacks.

Your thinking shows a lack not just of nuance, but at the level of understanding society at the macro level of functioning. Shit, think about the Revolutionary War. Was that fought by poor people who were having their support cut off? No, it was fought by people who were overtaxed and ruled over by a tyrant. You may want to think who may be showing up YOUR door with pitchforks and torches. I think you will be surprised, just like the British were. The very people who forced the issue of war on an unwilling public (public support for the war was small - read you history) were mostly rich land owners and lawyers.

 

[GirlyMan]

Item 6 shows your ignorance.

Your thinking shows a lack not just of nuance, but at the level of understanding society at the macro level of functioning.

rofl. Your ad hominems have thoroughly convinced me. Let them eat fucking cake.

 

[zkt]

Zero–sum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Complexity
It has been theorized by Robert Wright in his book Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny, that society becomes increasingly non-zero-sum as it becomes more complex, specialized, and interdependent. As former US President Bill Clinton states:

The more complex societies get and the more complex the networks of interdependence within and beyond community and national borders get, the more people are forced in their own interests to find non-zero-sum solutions. That is, win–win solutions instead of win–lose solutions.... Because we find as our interdependence increases that, on the whole, we do better when other people do better as well — so we have to find ways that we can all win, we have to accommodate each other....
—Bill Clinton, Wired interview, December 2000.[3]

You dont have to lose if I gain. We can both gain. So give your fear and gread a well deserved rest and think doing just a little bit of selfless good in the world.

 

[GirlyMan]

So give your fear and gread a well deserved rest and think doing just a little bit of selfless good in the world.

Or at least just try not to be an asshole. Girly's got his own 3 commandments he lives by. I'm a Computer Scientist so they obviously have to be recursive.

1) Don't be an asshole.
2) Unless you have to.
3) See commandment #1.

You can run on for a long time with just those.

 

[biggerandbetter]

man i love johhny cash! and pretty much all of repubican policys EXCEPT abortion, iv seen these teenage girls who were going places lives ruined because theve had babys at such an early age. im all for owning up to your mistakes but if the girl doesnt think shes ready to be a mom and wants it cut out, well i wont blame her.

 

[james2012]

Zero–sum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Complexity
It has been theorized by Robert Wright in his book Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny, that society becomes increasingly non-zero-sum as it becomes more complex, specialized, and interdependent. As former US President Bill Clinton states:

The more complex societies get and the more complex the networks of interdependence within and beyond community and national borders get, the more people are forced in their own interests to find non-zero-sum solutions. That is, win–win solutions instead of win–lose solutions.... Because we find as our interdependence increases that, on the whole, we do better when other people do better as well — so we have to find ways that we can all win, we have to accommodate each other....
—Bill Clinton, Wired interview, December 2000.[3]

You dont have to lose if I gain. We can both gain. So give your fear and gread a well deserved rest and think doing just a little bit of selfless good in the world.

It is not greed. You want a win-win. Then my taxes pay for public pensions and their taxes pay for my pension. But wait, if we are going to do that, why not each of us just pay for our own retirement. Now there's an idea. You see, the way it is set up now, I lose and the public workers win. Now anybody who understands basic economics knows that public government does not contribute to the bottom line - they are part of where tax revenue flows. Government does not grow economies - even Obama just admitted that. Porkulus dictated that there are no such things as shovel ready jobs (the POTUS even admitted it so this is beyond debate now). So smaller government leads to a thriving economy. Bigger government shrinks the middle class with more of us moving into the impoverished realm than joining the ranks of the rich. To make it easy for you: Athens protests: Syntagma Square on frontline of European austerity protests | World news | The Guardian

This should scare the living crap out of you. If it does not, you are not reading it. The Greece economy is in freefall. Why? Decades of big government. A big nanny state. And a bunch of crybabies who have to wean themselves off the government teat because nobody wants to loan them any more money unless they start acting like adults. What gets me is that most of Europe which is telling them to do this is heading in the same direction and now, so are we, but on steroids.

So yes, the masses will riot. And they will pay the price. You see, there is this thing called reality. Go ahead and stop the austerity measures and keep your piece of the government teat. In the end, the whole thing collapses and neither you or anybody else has anything but the clothes on your back. Great plan. Instead of encouraging independence and hard work, what was emphasized was that the government was always going to take care of you. But even a half-wit knows this is not sustainable.

If this makes me as asshole, I gladly accept that label. But it certainly says something that when somebody points out the obvious they are suddenly labeled. It says something about the blind allegiance to propaganda and ideology about the person making the statement. But hey, it does not bother me. I have my way out. Most of you don't. So when this house of card collapses, maybe you will recall the day when you read a little something about why and wonder WTF you were thinking. Then you can get mad at the people who deserve your anger. Don't mistake me, I don't give a whit what anybody thinks of me and I never will. You see, I think for myself. I am independent. Both parties suck. Socialism sucks. Unfettered capitalism sucks, and there is no such thing as a real leader anymore. So in the end, my money is on most of us getting f**ked.

 

[CubbieBlue]

It is not greed. You want a win-win. Then my taxes pay for public pensions and their taxes pay for my pension. But wait, if we are going to do that, why not each of us just pay for our own retirement. Now there's an idea. You see, the way it is set up now, I lose and the public workers win. Now anybody who understands basic economics knows that public government does not contribute to the bottom line - they are part of where tax revenue flows. Government does not grow economies - even Obama just admitted that. Porkulus dictated that there are no such things as shovel ready jobs (the POTUS even admitted it so this is beyond debate now).

Dude, I don't understand how you can say that government "does not contribute to the bottom line". Have you ever worked in government? Have you ever worked in a position that obtained government contracts? Looking at my little mid-western city, where would it be without government $$$? Dead in the water. The 20-25 engineering firms in town utilize quite a bit of government revenue, whether it be from municipalities or state DOT. The infrastructure improvements seen here due to stimulus and have been astounding and much needed. Even better is that local projects here have built off of stimulus projects and the community is starting to make some real headway towards a major recovery. Everyone in this region won because of the stimulus, and is continuing to win. Why? Because the policy makers and public administrators in this region worked as hard as they could to make sure that we took advantage of it in every way we could.

As a gov't worker myself I do not get a pension, nor am I overpaid by ANY means. I pay taxes just like you do.