Glp1’s without GH alongside

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So I am just not keeping up with new PED related information as it changes so often these days. I used to be very knowledgeable about all of it and kept up with anything new coming out. I have just lost some of the interest as well as aging into other interests. When glp drugs first became prominent around here I was on top of all the newest info. I found Tirzepatide and Retatrutide went with GH like peanut butter goes with jelly. And have pretty much stayed on both together more often than not over the last half decade.

I’m getting older and starting to change my opinion on HGH. I have always seen it as just a youthful bonus hormone that is something you should use as long as you can afford it. I have always kept daily usage for any extended period of time to 6iu and under because I found my feet were growing easily in my late 30s on as little as 3iu daily. But I have primarily ran about 4iu year round for many years now. I’m starting to use less and less over recent times and intend to continue to lower usage.

Here’s where my questions arise… I’ve been off Retatrutide and all other glp drugs for several months now but plan on hopping back on Tirz real soon. This time I intend to use without as much GH as in the past. What differences can I expect from using Tirzepatide without GH? Obviously some of the leanness benefits of less/no GH will be noticeable. But what about the benefits of blood sugar offsetting? Any concerns here? Obviously the majority of glp users are not also using GH like we do around here but it’s a new world for me. Seems like the dosage combos of glps and GH I was using seemed to illicit perfect blood sugar numbers for me. Like I had found the sweet spot for using both together.

I don’t want any blood sugar issues as I age. It’s not common in my family but I don’t want using GH into old age to be problematic regarding affecting blood sugar so I intend to use less going forward and also using less often. I would just appreciate hearing from those smarter than me on this particular topic of lessening GH use… increasing glp use… aging and insulin sensitivity. How it all works together and what to expect going forward and any potential issues to keep an eye on.

I will admit I have not done a good job of being proactive with my health. Honestly I have just majorly benefited from good genetics and good fortune for the most part. I have VA insurance and haven’t even had blood work in well over a year. Never had my prostate checked or even my first colonoscopy yet. I’m 45 now. Honestly the most proactive thing I’ve done is testing my own blood glucose a handful of times first thing AM while using different amounts of GH. Pretty sure it’s always hovered in upper 80s to mid 90s. Despite not really staying on top of my health my blood work has always been pristine. On or off gear. Even tren and other toxic stuff like superdrol. I’ve even managed to keep good blood while using gear combined with rec drug usage. …I know, I know… stupid stuff but I have improved my behavior over the years and I would call the rec drug usage these days to be minuscule for the most part.

Sorry for the novel. I would just like become better informed on keeping tabs on health markers, especially glucose related, as we age and and continue using glp drugs and growth hormone. I’m hoping this will spark some deeper discussion about how these drugs work together and affect the users as we age. Hopefully this doesn’t just disappear with no interest because I’m not sure where to go to learn about the nuances any further.
 
So I am just not keeping up with new PED related information as it changes so often these days. I used to be very knowledgeable about all of it and kept up with anything new coming out. I have just lost some of the interest as well as aging into other interests. When glp drugs first became prominent around here I was on top of all the newest info. I found Tirzepatide and Retatrutide went with GH like peanut butter goes with jelly. And have pretty much stayed on both together more often than not over the last half decade.

I’m getting older and starting to change my opinion on HGH. I have always seen it as just a youthful bonus hormone that is something you should use as long as you can afford it. I have always kept daily usage for any extended period of time to 6iu and under because I found my feet were growing easily in my late 30s on as little as 3iu daily. But I have primarily ran about 4iu year round for many years now. I’m starting to use less and less over recent times and intend to continue to lower usage.

Here’s where my questions arise… I’ve been off Retatrutide and all other glp drugs for several months now but plan on hopping back on Tirz real soon. This time I intend to use without as much GH as in the past. What differences can I expect from using Tirzepatide without GH? Obviously some of the leanness benefits of less/no GH will be noticeable. But what about the benefits of blood sugar offsetting? Any concerns here? Obviously the majority of glp users are not also using GH like we do around here but it’s a new world for me. Seems like the dosage combos of glps and GH I was using seemed to illicit perfect blood sugar numbers for me. Like I had found the sweet spot for using both together.

I don’t want any blood sugar issues as I age. It’s not common in my family but I don’t want using GH into old age to be problematic regarding affecting blood sugar so I intend to use less going forward and also using less often. I would just appreciate hearing from those smarter than me on this particular topic of lessening GH use… increasing glp use… aging and insulin sensitivity. How it all works together and what to expect going forward and any potential issues to keep an eye on.

I will admit I have not done a good job of being proactive with my health. Honestly I have just majorly benefited from good genetics and good fortune for the most part. I have VA insurance and haven’t even had blood work in well over a year. Never had my prostate checked or even my first colonoscopy yet. I’m 45 now. Honestly the most proactive thing I’ve done is testing my own blood glucose a handful of times first thing AM while using different amounts of GH. Pretty sure it’s always hovered in upper 80s to mid 90s. Despite not really staying on top of my health my blood work has always been pristine. On or off gear. Even tren and other toxic stuff like superdrol. I’ve even managed to keep good blood while using gear combined with rec drug usage. …I know, I know… stupid stuff but I have improved my behavior over the years and I would call the rec drug usage these days to be minuscule for the most part.

Sorry for the novel. I would just like become better informed on keeping tabs on health markers, especially glucose related, as we age and and continue using glp drugs and growth hormone. I’m hoping this will spark some deeper discussion about how these drugs work together and affect the users as we age. Hopefully this doesn’t just disappear with no interest because I’m not sure where to go to learn about the nuances any further.
Can you elaborate more on your feet issue on HGH? Growing? How and what did you notice?
 
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Can you elaborate more on your feet issue on HGH? Growing? How and what did you notice?
thought i would chime in about my feet , but i've noticed my feet must have grown slightly due to hgh usage in the past coupla years, ive been having to buy new shoe's lately because my current lineup of shoes are "to tight",, Definitely have grown slightly though ,, I haven't gone over 5 ius a day either,,
 
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thought i would chime in about my feet , but i've noticed my feet must have grown slightly due to hgh usage in the past coupla years, ive been having to buy new shoe's lately because my current lineup of shoes are "to tight",, Definitely have grown slightly though ,, I haven't gone over 5 ius a day either,,

Can you elaborate more on your feet issue on HGH? Growing? How and what did you notice?

I'm also up a full shoe size since starting hGH. It could be a little water retention. Tends to happen with hGH even if you have all your "ducks in a row" like I know you guys do.

More annoying is the faster growth of finger nails, toe nails, and beard (not likely related to water retention).
 
I'm also up a full shoe size since starting hGH. It could be a little water retention. Tends to happen with hGH even if you have all your "ducks in a row" like I know you guys do.

More annoying is the faster growth of finger nails, toe nails, and beard (not likely related to water retention).
my hair grows so fast, i used to get it cut 3 times a month , now it's weekly and i still hate how long it is by Saturday, my haircut day,, "Hi&tight"!
 
It seems we have a similar profile, so I'll chime in. I'm 46 and like you I've also been blessed with good genetics. I'm 6'1", hovering around 220lbs and I'd estimate I'm below 10% bf. I've always had a lean and athletic physique. Playing sports at a fairly high level throughout childhood and into college helped. Having a borderline psychotic work ethic doesn't hurt either. I haven't been on GH as long as you but I've been on and off Test and other AAS's for years. I'm currently running a 6iu/nightly bolus of GH and occasionally I add another 6iu in the early morning before heavy cardio days. I'm also taking 10mgs of Tirz and have been on it since last summer. I went up to 20mgs but found that dose unmanageable. 10mgs might even be a bit too much for me and my goals, so I may either drop it to 5mgs, 7.5mgs, or give Reta a try. I also take 1200mgs of Berberine daily and recently added 600mgs of NAC which is purported to also aid in BG levels along with other benefits. My resting BG levels have stayed between 76 - 90 since starting the GH and obviously my diet plays a big role in BG being on point. Tbh, I'm probably not getting in enough calories but I'm hesitant to pull the GLP-1 because of its effects on BG levels. It sounds like when it comes to GH dosing we are going in the opposite direction though. I intend to increase my dose to 8iu/PM once my next package arrives and will also do the occasional early AM dose 3hrs before heavy cardio days. As for other PED's my weekly regimen is 750mgs Test C, 400mgs Trenbolone E, 300mgs NPP, and 100mgs of Anadrol PWO. My blood work is generally pretty good considering the compounds I sometimes use. It's not great either. The last time I checked my hematocrit and hemoglobin were beyond the reference range but nothing too alarming. I've begun taking supplements like TUDCA, NAC, Astragalus, Berberine etc. to help mitigate some of the issues with blood work. Obviously I won't be running the Tren, Adrol, NPP and whatever other AAS's are out there into perpetuity. Longevity is important to me in the end. I do see myself running testosterone and GH into my old age. If that requires a GLP-1 to keep BG levels healthy I'm okay with that as well.

Oh, I have not experienced foot growth since starting the GH. Ha- I'd much rather get some dick growth if I'm being honest.
 
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