Going for a gram of test a week,4th cycle looks like this!!

[rooster1]

My fourth cycle is going to look similar to this,I will have to tweak it so lmk what you vets think.

1-20 1000mg/wk test (I will front load with prop the 1st 10 days and taper off with prop the last 2 weeks)
1-18 600mg/wk dynabolon(deca)
1-5 50mg/ed d-bol
15-20 100mg/ed winny
18-20 Methyl-1-test 20mg/ed
1-8 50mg/ed anavar

I have masteron 100mg/ml and want to fit it in there but haven't found great info on it yet so the masteron and anavar I am not sure about doses and length of use and whether to put it in at the beginning,middle or end.

20mcg/ed Lr3 IGF-1 will be taken weeks 1-7 and then used again post cycle.I will play it by ear but probably at about the 3rd week post cycle.HCG 1000 iu/wk and a couple of higher doses right after post cycle.1000 mcg homemade sterile B-12 ed.

1.5 mg liquidex from 1st day to start of post ancillaries.

Nolva post cycle 40mg days 1-3 then 20mg ed till the end of 4 weeks.

nutracueticals used;Acetyl-l-carnitine,r-ala,greentea extract 98%,CLA switched on and off with fish oils and flax oil,piracetam(A couple other neuro boosters), rhodiola rosea 600mg/ed,saw palmetto,milk thistle(heavy dose),glucosamine,taurine at about 8-10 grams ed,no creatine this time.

tribulus terrestris extract 90%,and horny goat weed will be used post cycle.

WELL,that is a lot to take in......critique it please.Some do not advocate longer cycles but my 2 best cycles were 16 and 20 wk cycles and I feel the IGF post cycle will give me the edge I need to keep it and move on to another bulk cycle.I am 6'2",260ish,12-15%bf now.I want to be 280-290ish @ around 9-10%bf.I forgot to mention I will run some T3 after the 4th week for a little to make up for the massive calories.I have clen and may run that post.

MACRONUTRIENT BREAKDOWN
4600-4800 cals a day
460 grams protein
345 grams carbs
150 grams fat
spread between 6-7 meals daily

6-8 hours sleep at night.

WHAT HAVE I LEFT OUT??hehehehehe.lol

 

[Silverback]

I would personally up the cals some to around 5500 or maybe even 6000(at your weight it will take alot to grow)---Thats just me, dont know how you respond---When I bulk I get up to 4500-5500 and Im only 220(aiming for 240 when my cycle start next week)

I would also run the winny from week 17-22--
And leave out the anavar---with all the mass you will be gaining I dont see a point--or use it towards the end with the winny--if you really want to use it..


Take from this what you want but that is what I would change---

Peace and you should have some fun growing!!!

 

[rooster1]

Thanks for your input.I got the calorie count from the admin at massmonsters.I will probably have days where it is around 4000 and others around 5000 or more.I can get this awesome high calorie shake from a manufacurer in my hometown---stats

Total fat 19 grams
Cholesterol 10mg
Sodium 260mg
Total Carbs 56 grams
Protein 17 grams
Calories 470
has calcium,vit D,vit C,iron......add 50 grams of whey isolate would be 67 grams protein and 670 total calories and it is only a 3.5 oz pouch so could easily throw another food item in to add calories to that meal.I workout with one of the owners so I get em' for .90 a piece.....as many as I want!

I had my heart set on trying the anavar and masteron so will try to fit it in somewhere.
My post cycle will start 2 days after the prop, winny,and M-1-T stop so there will be no need to run winny 2 more weeks.It is 17aa as is the dbol.I believe anavar has some toxicity and the winny is hard on the cholosterol.I may bump up the dose though for the 5 weeks.

 

[rooster1]

the dynabolon is supposed to be stronger than deca so can't wait to see how it does.I ran 750mg/wk deca onfirst cycle and loved it so figured 600 dynabolon would be about right.I could up it if I wanted to as I got enough fro 2 cycles.

 

[rooster1]

I wanted to run this cycle by a mod to see what they thought??

 

[KTCKSports]

I would like someone to comment on a 20 week cycle.

K-

I wanted to run this cycle by a mod to see what they thought??

 

[MaxRep]

I would like someone to comment on a 20 week cycle.

K-

Your cycle is looking a lot like a shotgun cycle. Throw in everything possible with no rhyme or reason. For example; Test/Deca plus Dbol and anavar. Why the Dbol and anavar? Just because you have them? That's not how to put a cycle together.

Same thing with adding in the methyl test for 3 weeks at the end, on top of the winstrol. The purpose is...?

If the answer to using these additional products is anything resembling "to see what it does", get real. With everything else you've thrown into the mix, you'll have no idea what's causing what effect. You mention something about using certain products due to; "having my heart set on it". That may be a valid reason for having sex with 2 girls at once, but that's not how you put a cycle together.

Let's not forget the IGF-1 which starts the first week. That's not the time to start the IGF-1. The dosage is also too low to get much out of it. So either you didn't do much research on it or you got bad advice.

Also, Dynabolan being more potent than Deca? That's advertising hype that only a newbie would believe. Dynabolan is "nandrolone undecanoate". Standard Deca is "nandrolone decanoate". For those of you who don't know, undecanoate is an ester with more carbon atoms than decanoate, meaning it will release even slower and have a longer half life than regular deca. That's like saying Test cypionate is more potent than Test enanthate. There's not much validity to that statement.

As far as the 20 week cycle... the longer you're on, the harder it is to restart your natural system. Unless you're at the higher levels of competition, there's no reason for anything longer than 12-14 weeks. Going longer then becomes just a crutch. Sure you had good results from 16 and 20 week cycles. You also increase the chances of problems restarting your system the more often you do such cycles. Why not do a 30 week cycle for even better benefits? For that matter, why ever go off?

Although I advocate 16 week pre-contest cycles, I also advocate longevity in bodybuilding and understanding the different roads taken by recreational bodybuilders/beginning competitors versus high level competitive bodybuilders.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[NDK]

"having my heart set on it". That may be a valid reason for having sex with 2 girls at once, but that's not how you put a cycle together.

LMAO

Too many orals in my opinion. I didn't understand dbol and anavar at the dose you are planning and at the same time. And m 1 test is in my experience long on side effects and short on results.

 

[Deacon]

I agree with MAX - and I do not like the cycle - to much stuff just tossed in there for no reason at all.
Take all of that and throwin some Masteron and we will be reading about you in the obituaries.

And 1 gm of test? WHY? You have not doen enough cycles to run that much test or deca.
And also I think you very heavy on the orals - what is your goal bro?

Not trying to flame man just interested and a bit concerned.

 

[micro]

From what I"ve been reading on IGF is that it should be taken after you've already been on the juice. Usually when the gear you are taken has already kicked in fully. I would say to start the IGF no earlier then wk5. I also think IGF is good to get you past any platues that you might run into. That's why they probably say to use it later in the cycle.

 

[Potbelly]

Rooster1

You're looking to gain 20-30 lbs and lower your BF by 3-5% with a heavy 20 week cycle..... I would shorten it up to 12-15 weeks tops especially with this being your 4th cycle. No need to stay on for 5 months to reach your goal..... You can get there in 12-15 weeks no problem. Test/Deca/D-bol/and some Winny on the back end would do you right..... I don't know about the Anavar and Masteron bro..... I'd save those for this summer.

How long have you been off gear before you start this cycle? This will play into things.

In my limited experience, I have stayed on gear for long periods of time and feel that shorter cycles are a better way to go. 10-12 week blasts of hard training/eating/rest give better results than pushing your body for 6-12 months at a time. This is from personal experience but everyone has an opinion.

Best of luck and keep us posted on progress.......

One thing that came to mind was that I didn't see any Insulin with that mix? Low dose 'slin especially with IGF or GH does WONDERS!

Potbelly

 

[rooster1]

Your cycle is looking a lot like a shotgun cycle. Throw in everything possible with no rhyme or reason. For example; Test/Deca plus Dbol and anavar. Why the Dbol and anavar? Just because you have them? That's not how to put a cycle together.

Same thing with adding in the methyl test for 3 weeks at the end, on top of the winstrol. The purpose is...?

If the answer to using these additional products is anything resembling "to see what it does", get real. With everything else you've thrown into the mix, you'll have no idea what's causing what effect. You mention something about using certain products due to; "having my heart set on it". That may be a valid reason for having sex with 2 girls at once, but that's not how you put a cycle together.

Let's not forget the IGF-1 which starts the first week. That's not the time to start the IGF-1. The dosage is also too low to get much out of it. So either you didn't do much research on it or you got bad advice.

Also, Dynabolan being more potent than Deca? That's advertising hype that only a newbie would believe. Dynabolan is "nandrolone undecanoate". Standard Deca is "nandrolone decanoate". For those of you who don't know, undecanoate is an ester with more carbon atoms than decanoate, meaning it will release even slower and have a longer half life than regular deca. That's like saying Test cypionate is more potent than Test enanthate. There's not much validity to that statement.

As far as the 20 week cycle... the longer you're on, the harder it is to restart your natural system. Unless you're at the higher levels of competition, there's no reason for anything longer than 12-14 weeks. Going longer then becomes just a crutch. Sure you had good results from 16 and 20 week cycles. You also increase the chances of problems restarting your system the more often you do such cycles. Why not do a 30 week cycle for even better benefits? For that matter, why ever go off?

Although I advocate 16 week pre-contest cycles, I also advocate longevity in bodybuilding and understanding the different roads taken by recreational bodybuilders/beginning competitors versus high level competitive bodybuilders.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Well,you sure told why not to do what I had planned so now what would be the right thing to do.That is why it was posted and to run by someone more knowledgeableIt was a rough draft that I hoped someone would help me piece together.

As far as more compounds being thrown into the mix.It was not to impress anyone.It was because I had read/researched that putting more compounds together instead of higher doses was a better way to get gains.That idea was new to me and thought I would give it a try on this cycle.In the past it was just 3 or 4 anabolics.And yes,I do have my heart on trying masteron and seeing how I respond to it,so I would like to plan a cycle around that.The anavar and masteron I don't have good info on for use,so if you can help me,that would be great.

Oh yeah,with the IGF.I realize most people run higher doses.But the information I get comes from animal's forum.I am not saying that 20mcg/ed is the best dose.......it is up to each individual to research it since it is still a fairly new compound,but the opinion is that the longer cycles of IGF is where the nerve innervation really kicks in,which is one of IGF's best benefits.It is an expensive item and if you have the real thing 20-40mcg/ed should be enough.But what do I know....I've never used it.It is all hear say to me.I thought for the hell of it why not try a low dose and see if there any benefits of it.I should be able to tell within a week.It usually causes hunger to increase.If not,I aways have the choice of increasing the dose.research vs. real world experience.

 

[rooster1]

Rooster1

You're looking to gain 20-30 lbs and lower your BF by 3-5% with a heavy 20 week cycle..... I would shorten it up to 12-15 weeks tops especially with this being your 4th cycle. No need to stay on for 5 months to reach your goal..... You can get there in 12-15 weeks no problem. Test/Deca/D-bol/and some Winny on the back end would do you right..... I don't know about the Anavar and Masteron bro..... I'd save those for this summer.

How long have you been off gear before you start this cycle? This will play into things.

In my limited experience, I have stayed on gear for long periods of time and feel that shorter cycles are a better way to go. 10-12 week blasts of hard training/eating/rest give better results than pushing your body for 6-12 months at a time. This is from personal experience but everyone has an opinion.

Best of luck and keep us posted on progress.......

One thing that came to mind was that I didn't see any Insulin with that mix? Low dose 'slin especially with IGF or GH does WONDERS!

Potbelly

Potbelly,I kept hearing the opposite with IGF and slin.Because the IGF made you so much more sensitive to slin that it was too dangerous??I dunno.I used slin on my last cycle and it was OK.If you know where I can look into that,I would def. consider adding slin.

 

[Deacon]

run the test, deca and d-bol - save the rest for a summer cutter or something else.
You could throw the winny in at the end of the cycle if you want to harden gains.

 

[rooster1]

run the test, deca and d-bol - save the rest for a summer cutter or something else.
You could throw the winny in at the end of the cycle if you want to harden gains.

Thanks.I will be the first to admit I tend to be extreme and go overboard.heheheh.It's not always a bad thing though.Does this mean masteron is good for cutting?The profile section wasn't real clear on that.

 

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

to celebrate this cycle i'm throwing a fairwell party.......for your hair. you better do something to protect the crown or else its going to be raining hair around you for the entire length of the cycle. at least get some nizoral 2% and mabye even consider some proscar/propecia.

 

[Deacon]

I'll chime in here. I agree with maxrep also. I would go with the test, 800 mg, dynabolon 400-500 mg, dbol 40-50 mg ED and that is it, besides pct and anti e's. I would not go beyond 14 weeks. Probably stop the deca at seek 12. With a lot of good calories and regimen, you will get good gains.

YUP!

 

[rooster1]

hmmmmm.I guess I tend to disagree a bit.I will still go with the 20 week cycle,just because of my own experience.I don't lose hair that easy,even on heavier doses.And if I do,not that big a deal for me cause I wear it so short.Sometimes I shave it up there anyway.Thanks for all the input.I will try to find other resources to research the masteron and anavar and see what type of cycle I can make out of it.I will definitely keep you all posted.Peace.

 

[Potbelly]

Because the IGF made you so much more sensitive to slin that it was too dangerous??

Rooster

"Too Dangerous".... That's relative bro.....

Just lower your 'slin dosage and you'll reap the benefits. I currently only use 5iu's humulin-R post workout. No more is needed......

Potbelly

 

[rooster1]

Rooster

"Too Dangerous".... That's relative bro.....

Just lower your 'slin dosage and you'll reap the benefits. I currently only use 5iu's humulin-R post workout. No more is needed......

Potbelly

Thanks Potbelly.....slin is in.Do you seperate when you take the IGF and slin or does it matter?