Golden age of aas

[Millard]

I would say we are in the golden age off aas and bodybuildingom related supplements and not vice versa as some other thread was trying to point to.

Quality source's popping up left and right ... Everybody testing their gear.

Pharma meds available at cheap prices, chinese bulk shippers offering everything you'd ever consider needing and more at stupidly low prices with shipping that doesn't get seized ...

Super meticulous brewers of quality aas that test everything they make and independent reviewers confirming those results ...

Quality GH at the lowest price point ever ...

List goes on. And all of this over clear net mind you. We are in the golden age, appreciate it fellas. It has never been this easy getting quality gear. And sources have never been this professional and trustworthy. Almost feeling like I'll jinx it by writing this.

DO y'all remember how it was 10 or so years back? Ordering from some stupid ass site like napsgear or something, having zero to no comms and hopping that you'll get some untested, unknown para pharma or what not gear in 2 to 4 weeks time ...

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

What are we primarily discussing? The efficiency of black markets for AAS? Or the state of research & development for AAS?

 

[Jin23]

The efficiency of black markets for AAS?

This.

What's your view on the subject? I imagine, yours should be one of particular interest and insights.

 

[NihilistNick]

Things aren't the same on Meso anymore bro and the scene/vibe has totally changed.
I came back about 9 months ago after a long break off the forums but it's a bit weird/childish on here now tbh....

Still trying to figure it all out....

When I first came here I think I was 23 or 24. I'm middle aged now lol.

We talked guys into shooting gear into their assholes and nuts. When we really felt like pricks we told them to shoot into their calves. This place was like an ant farm of sociopathy and questionable hijinks.

The No Cap crowd might be bigger than me, but they aren't having the fun lol.

Oh yea, my original point was were old now.

 

[1tank1]

What are we primarily discussing? The efficiency of black markets for AAS? Or the state of research & development for AAS?

I'd like to hear your overall opinion about the entire AAS situation in 2022 (and onwards in to the future) since you're "top dog" on Meso.

 

[Millard]

What's your view on the subject? I imagine, yours should be one of particular interest and insights.

I'd like to hear your overall opinion about the entire AAS situation in 2022 (and onwards in to the future) since you're "top dog" on Meso.

I agree with much of what has been written in this thread regarding the AAS situation in 2022.

Yes, black market AAS variety and availability is better than ever. We can thank widespread Internet adoption for this.

The legal status/AAS criminalization is worse than ever in more countries than ever. We can thank the rise of the anti-doping movement over the past couple decades, particularly WADA/USADA, for this.

The state of AAS R&D is suffering. We can thank AAS criminalization for this as lobbied by the anti-doping movement.

 

[Millard]

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

I can't disagree when you focus on the "legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens".

The availability of black market androgen products is another story.

Relatedly, many people seem to believe this is no big deal since they think black market AAS are just as good as legal pharmaceutical androgen products. I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

 

[Liska]

Relatedly, many people seem to believe this is no big deal since they think black market AAS are just as good as legal pharmaceutical androgen products. I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

Can you elaborate in detail? Given USP materials, are there parts of the production/QA process you think UGL just cannot (or are unwilling to) replicate?

 

[Jin23]

Almost feeling like I'll jinx it by writing this.

I rly did have a bad feeling writing this post lawl.

Glad everything is back and functioning @Millard

 

[Mads]

I rly did have a bad feeling writing this post lawl.

Glad everything is back and functioning @Millard

Was it a ddos attack?

 

[Jin23]

Was it a ddos attack?

Think it was something with domain registration ... But idk ...

 

[HB_22]

Thanks for making it work again and putting it back online @Millard and whoever else was involved.

 

[Nexation66]

Im a Bit late but i have a question in your Last words you mention Para Pharma is it a Bad lab?

 

[Jin23]

Im a Bit late but i have a question in your Last words you mention Para Pharma is it a Bad lab?

Who, me?

 

[Nexation66]

Who, me?

Yes you Said:
DO y'all remember how it was 10 or so years back? Ordering from some stupid ass site like napsgear or something, having zero to no comms and hopping that you'll get some untested, unknown para pharma or what not gear in 2 to 4 weeks time

It Sounds like Para Pharma is a Bad lab for your, i have it at Home now i just want to be sure if its Good or bad

 

[Jin23]

Yes you Said:
DO y'all remember how it was 10 or so years back? Ordering from some stupid ass site like napsgear or something, having zero to no comms and hopping that you'll get some untested, unknown para pharma or what not gear in 2 to 4 weeks time

It Sounds like Para Pharma is a Bad lab for your, i have it at Home now i just want to be sure if its Good or bad

Yes, in my opinion they are not the best ugl. But I haven't followed them. Are they present on a board anywhere, post lab work, etc.?

 

[Nexation66]

They do Post Labwork on there own site

 

[Obscured78]

or 20 yrs ago ordering thru hushmail using western union and praying every single time.

Unless you knew Beetlejuice