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johnsmith182

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the fun of a forum like this is talking, exchanging ideas, developing friendships, things like that, and not being bound by geography. ive gotten a lot of enjoyment out of this forum over the years.

the frustration is seeing essentially the same person pop up again and again. no, i dont mean literally the same person, but differing people all with the same defining characteristic.

this person is essentially a beginner... that is true whether he has been training 2 weeks or two years. his basic goal is to get bigger and stronger. he may not even realize this. he may say he wants to harden up, get a bigger chest... whatever. but basically if he could be reasoned with and accept the laws of human physiology, he would concede that what he really want is to build muscle, simple as that.

this person is also usually lost in the wilderness of muscle magazine training programs, doing things that work only if you are loaded to the gills with steroids, and even then probably arent appropriate to any but a few. these things are almost a guarantee of failure to the average beginner.

over the years, i have advocated a simple approach to training, one that is not new, and definately not fancy. but it works. if done correctly, it works for beginners, and with a little tweaking it works for intermediates, and with a little more tweaking it works for advanced athletes. it has been around in one form or another for 50 years or more, and has worked all that time, and will work for the next 50 years. you wont find it in muslce magazines. it doesnt sell magazines. because when you use it, and use it properly, you progress, and dont need to change what you are doing in frustration every month... and this would limit the value of the next months issue of a magazine, with the new latest and greatest routing from the new latest and greatest lifter.

my introduction to this sort of training was by a good friend of mine. he got his intro to training while living with bill starr way back in the dark ages. he was using it and refining it before i ever started training with weights.

this person has written a book. the book is titled starting strength, and true to the title, is intended to tell you everything you need, from exercise form to how to warm up to how to set up your first program, everything you need to get started on the weights, and get started in a way that will lead not to frustration, but to progress, and lasting progress. its geared towards beginners. but not only beginners will benefit. i personally know of D1 strength coaches and advanced athletes who have read it and written that they picked up valuable hints, things they had never thought of before, that would help them immensely.

i dont want to pimp this book endlessly in 100 threads, thats why i am writing this. i truly think that if you are interested in weight training, you ought to have this book. if you have read thru this forum at all, you know that i am at least somewhat accomplished as a lifter and coach. i also work closely with the author, drink beer with him, have trained with him, and have coached with him. yet i read the book, and picked up a few things. so i really dont think there is anyone so "advanced" as to be able to turn their nose up at the book.

but the beginners, the guys posting on here wanting a routine, wanting to know how to squat, how many days to train... these are people who ought to, really ought to, have this book. these are the people the book was aimed at. the guy or girl who wants to train with weights. who wants to become stronger. they might be 16 years old and heading to the gym for the first time, or it might be a 35 year old who has fooled around with the weights for years, but who hasnt made the kind of progress he wants.

if you fall into these catagories, or anywhere near them, think about spending a little money. itll be the best investment you can make.
 
The author, Mark Rippletoe, is a true badass and knows his stuff. I've been promoting "JS" (no, "JS" is not Mark) and his style of training for a while. Its an awesome summation of the kind of training that JS and his online acolytes like myself have known to be gold for years now. This book gets a huge "bump" from me.

There are a lot of books out there. This is one of those very few books that 99% of you could purchase and know that you have pretty much everything you'd need to ever know about training for the rest of your life.

When you think about all the money we've pissed away on crappy supplements, fake gear, and shitty training advice, purchasing this book is a ridiculous value.

For what its worth, I also recommend this to anyone who wants to know how they should be training.

What JS didn't say is that Mark is a pretty hilarious and interesting guy, and this comes through pretty well in the book.

EDIT: Also, here is a review of the book from EFS (elitefts .com) by Jim Wendler, a 1000# squatter and 700 pound bench presser. Sounds to me like Jim knows a thing or two about getting strong. If you've seen Jim you know he looks like a walking gorilla.

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/starting_strength.htm
 
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I saw Jim's review of this book, and although I have not read it, I really like Jim's philosophy and if he likes it then it is probably good. Jim also writes good articles on elitefts.com so if you have a chance check them out...he really simplifies things and makes you realize that getting strong really isn't that hard.
 
The book is just outstanding. But i got one question, and i cant find the answer to it.

In Starrs Book, Bill writes, that you have to get down, pause a bit, and then explode up (squat, bench, etc.).

In Marks book, i cant find any recommendation about rep speed. The clean, thats for sure, has to be explosive. And i read, that in all exercises, you should use the rebounding, but then, should i get up explosive, or controlled slower than explosive?
 
pausing at bottom

mark rippetoe advocates a natural rep speed. not trying to be real slow, not trying to be real fast, at least for beginners. just use the rep speed that comes naturally, the rep speed you would be using if you had never even considered rep speed at all.

he also advocates no pausing in the bottom of the squat or bench. there are some advantages to pausing, at least for more advanced lifters. when you are learning to squat correctly, you want to just go down and up.

believe me, this is what works best for beginners, or anyone who is changing their form and leaning to do the lifts as they are instructed in the book.

We are currently working on a second book, which should be out around the first couple of months of next year. i will be one of the authors of this second book in the series. it will detail how we program the first 3 years of an athletes training, the sets, reps... when and why we move from one program to another and when and why we add or subtract exercises. this book will be aimed at general market, the person wanting to get bigger and stronger. this book will go into rep speed in a detailed way, because that is one of the things that will get manipulated a little as an athlete goes from beginner to intermediate and on to advanced.

we also plan on a third book, which will detail how and when to change from a more general plan, which everyone should start out on, to a more specific plan for more specific purposes, such as training for a particular sport... what changes you should make and how to plan your training in a more specific way from then on.

starting strength is becoming successfull, it seems as he is going to be selling an awfull lot of them. but it is limited in scope. the material it covers, it covers in depth, better than anything else in print. but it doesnt go beyond learning the exercises correctly (ive never met anyone so advanced that they couldnt learn from this part of the book, i picked up a few coaching cues when i read the final draft), and setting up a beginning program. he has had a lot of questions regarding what to do next... how to plan training past this beginner stage and what other exercises would have to be added at some point... this led to the decision for me, lon kilgore, and mark to turn this single book into a series which if read in order would give our complete philosopy, a detailed discussion of what would happen to a typical, say, 16 year old if he showed up here as a beginner wanting to get bigger and stronger, and trained here till he was 21 years old and deeply involved in a sport, any sport from soccer to olympic weightlifting, to football.
 
Thank you for your answer. Well buy all other books of your series, too. :) Its just the best. I could use nearly 99% of the books info for my/our training. The other 1% were the non written content under the quotes
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Greetings from europes belgium.
 
damn, postage from Elitefts.com is US$30 for postage to Australia.

anyone know if this book's available anywhere else? might be able to save a little on postage.
 
Count me in as a paying customer. My library has become littered with pastel covered baby books, and I need to keep some form of representation.

Along those same lines, I'm going to be switching back to morning weight workouts, in efforts to squeeze in all my endeavours for the day. Thus, the nights will be free for family and further forms of training. These further forms are what I'm interested in. Aside from actual sport training, I'd like to up my GPP. I'll be using the sled for sure (most likely with the little one riding atop it). elitefts provides plenty of info on that.

But I'd like a list of other things to include, and examples of such. I'm thinking sprints, plyos, agility drills, etc. Can someone point me in a direction to find more info about the latter, and how I should implement them.

Thanks!
 
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