Growth from 18iu GH worth the price?

[Enjoythements]

What’s interests me about the high GH is Chase Irons 18iu and 5g test experiment. Dude blew up, granted he took like a year off, but still very impressive

212 top competitor is around 3-3.5g (1.5g of which test), 10-15iu gh, insulin, orals cycled in/out every 6 weeks.

Don't let them insult your intelligence.

Open pros are more extreme

ofcourse health monitored and the genetics is that you can handle the amounts, if not play darts or stick to 750mg test and stay sloppy 180lbs is also ok.

Polypharmacy side effects are addressed with more drugs

 

[Enjoythements]

the gh is cherry on top what push size is anabolics and insulin gh is in background doing its thing but not game breaker if you use 15iu or 30iu more result if you add more anabolics and insulin

 

[Enjoythements]

so stick to 15iu make it easy 1x 15iu vial or 1 and 1/2 10iu vial per day and you say highest was 3g now push 3.5g anaolic.

Have 36iu vial? use 1/2 vial per day.

You are on right path cycle orals every 4-6 weeks anadrol or dbol (or combo)

 

[mrsloppyboo]

so stick to 15iu make it easy 1x 15iu vial or 1 and 1/2 10iu vial per day and you say highest was 3g now push 3.5g anaolic.

Have 36iu vial? use 1/2 vial per day.

You are on right path cycle orals every 4-6 weeks anadrol or dbol (or combo)

Appreciate the no BS man. Even Chase talks about dudes running 5g like he is doing as not being that crazy and it’s relatively common but dudes don’t talk about it bc people shit on them for it

I have 36iu vials so it’ll be 18iu to make it easy.

I’m currently at 1200mg anabolics and tapering up 600mg (300 test 300 EQ) every 6 weeks until I’m at 3.6g then I’ll hold there for a bit.

Is this a good approach or should I ramp the doses up faster? My idea was harm mitigation by keeping the doses a little lower while still milking good progress and keeping my body from reaching a point of homeostasis

 

[Enjoythements]

Appreciate the no BS man. Even Chase talks about dudes running 5g like he is doing as not being that crazy and it’s relatively common but dudes don’t talk about it bc people shit on them for it

I have 36iu vials so it’ll be 18iu to make it easy.

I’m currently at 1200mg anabolics and tapering up 600mg (300 test 300 EQ) every 6 weeks until I’m at 3.6g then I’ll hold there for a bit.

Is this a good approach or should I ramp the doses up faster? My idea was harm mitigation by keeping the doses a little lower while still milking good progress and keeping my body from reaching a point of homeostasis

taper up when you're stuck don't pre plan tapering makes no sense. If you're sitting at 2g and making progress no point tapering up, same goes for if you're at 3g anabolics and no progress then you can taper up. Make sure you eat adequate amount of calories, but for most people its no problem and "you have to eat" is overemphasized to the point where people get fat instead

 

[william23kelly]

Appreciate the no BS man. Even Chase talks about dudes running 5g like he is doing as not being that crazy and it’s relatively common but dudes don’t talk about it bc people shit on them for it

I have 36iu vials so it’ll be 18iu to make it easy.

I’m currently at 1200mg anabolics and tapering up 600mg (300 test 300 EQ) every 6 weeks until I’m at 3.6g then I’ll hold there for a bit.

Is this a good approach or should I ramp the doses up faster? My idea was harm mitigation by keeping the doses a little lower while still milking good progress and keeping my body from reaching a point of homeostasis

This never works out. Look at Bostin Loyd he was not even going to turn pro or that large of a physique and he blasted more gear than anyone. The guys at the top are not there because of their dosages. No amount of drugs in the world will make up for the training and food intake and consistency it takes to grow to an open pro.

You havent mentioned food intake once. You are not going to compete in open bodybuilding with the mutants with this approach.

 

[william23kelly]

taper up when you're stuck don't pre plan tapering makes no sense. If you're sitting at 2g and making progress no point tapering up, same goes for if you're at 3g anabolics and no progress then you can taper up. Make sure you eat adequate amount of calories, but for most people its no problem and "you have to eat" is overemphasized to the point where people get fat instead

Brother this is the furthest thing from true. I always warn guys when they read a comment like this on the internet to ask themsleves, what does this user posting look like themselves? You certainly are not a bodybuilder.

"Make sure you eat adequate amount of calories, but for most people its no problem and "you have to eat" is overemphasized to the point where people get fat instead"

^This is hysterical. Guys will stay small with this mentality.
The easiest thing in the world to do is blast peds. The hardest part is to eat 6k calories a day 300g protein day after day month after month and train at the level it takes to grow to pro size. There is a reason few make it to the top.

 

[william23kelly]

I have used 0 Gh myself. Am 240lbs currently on 125mg test. I have never went above 750mg test. I have been training & tracking calories for 11 years now at 27. In the pics below I was on Test/Mast/Primo/Tren/Win 500/500/500/350/280. 215lbs at weigh ins.

Martin Fitzwater was just speaking on a podcast that if he even goes above 6iu it works against him because the pumps ruin his training. but let me guess he's lying? The only people who claim the pros are blasting ridiculous amounts of drugs are fellas who have never stepped on stage themselves.

Go through the process yourself, Compete at an amateur show and blast all the gear you want and you will quickly gain another level of respect for those at the top of this game

 

[pipo]

This never works out. Look at Bostin Loyd he was not even going to turn pro or that large of a physique and he blasted more gear than anyone. The guys at the top are not there because of their dosages. No amount of drugs in the world will make up for the training and food intake and consistency it takes to grow to an open pro.

You havent mentioned food intake once. You are never going to compete in open bodybuilding with the mutants with this approach.

Not a good example with Bostin. Look what he did in one year with that transformation that put him in the spotlight, and a lot of that is attributed to drugs.

Second, he didn't want to be a pro; he didn't chase that trophy. He also criticized the NPC on every occasion he had.

After two more serious shows, he gave up on competing as a whole. He also tore his pec, and with that injury, turning pro became difficult. Then his kidneys failed, and that was the end for him.

He didn't actively chase a bodybuilding pro card for several years, meaning doing whatever it took to get that card. He became notorious, and making money was a priority.

He used a lot of gear, but not for long enough. His off-season was more reasonable. Pre-contest was when he went really crazy.
Also he didn't took 18 i.u. like never. 6-8-10 i.u was his dosage

If his health had allowed and he really wanted that card, eventually he would have won one. How many more years that would have required, who knows. Maybe another three years, maybe more, or maybe less.

I know his history as I was a Bostin fan. RIP

 

[Enjoythements]

Brother this is the furthest thing from true. I always warn guys when they read a comment like this on the internet to ask themsleves, what does this user posting look like themselves? You certainly are not a bodybuilder.

"Make sure you eat adequate amount of calories, but for most people its no problem and "you have to eat" is overemphasized to the point where people get fat instead"

^This is hysterical. Guys will stay small with this mentality.
The easiest thing in the world to do is blast peds. The hardest part is to eat 6k calories a day 300g protein day after day month after month and train at the level it takes to grow to pro size. There is a reason few make it to the top.

hahahaha eating 300g of protein and carbs is hard hahahaha try that as a 200 pounder and you're gonna become fat hahahahaha it's retards like you saying you have to push food and use no peds you'll just become a fat slob the retarded bodybuilders think they're in the hardest sport ever to exist use steroids (a lot), lift hard and eat enough calories.

I have used 0 Gh myself. Am 240lbs currently on 125mg test. I have never went above 750mg test. I have been training & tracking calories for 11 years now at 27. In the pics below I was on Test/Mast/Primo/Tren/Win 500/500/500/350/280. 215lbs at weigh ins.

Martin Fitzwater was just speaking on a podcast that if he even goes above 6iu it works against him because the pumps ruin his training. but let me guess he's lying? The only people who claim the pros are blasting ridiculous amounts of drugs are fellas who have never stepped on stage themselves.

Go through the process yourself, Compete at an amateur show and blast all the gear you want and you will quickly gain another level of respect for those at the top of this game

of course he's lying don't insult my intelligence the GH pumps are ruining his training hahahahahahahhahahhahahah

they are literally addicts injecting insulin in their veins full on addicts milking every inch of advtantage they can You don't have to be mathematician to know 1+1=2

2grams at your height with no legs and not even great condition maybe you SHOULD add GH

you don't have to take my word for it look into some of Ahmed Askar protocols for true 212 pro's it's out there in the open

 

[william23kelly]

Not a good example with Bostin. Look what he did in one year with that transformation that put him in the spotlight, and a lot of that is attributed to drugs.

Second, he didn't want to be a pro; he didn't chase that trophy. He also criticized the NPC on every occasion he had.

After two more serious shows, he gave up on competing as a whole. He also tore his pec, and with that injury, turning pro became difficult. Then his kidneys failed, and that was the end for him.

He didn't actively chase a bodybuilding pro card for several years, meaning doing whatever it took to get that card. He became notorious, and making money was a priority.

He used a lot of gear, but not for long enough. His off-season was more reasonable. Pre-contest was when he went really crazy.
Also he didn't took 18 i.u. like never. 6-8-10 i.u was his dosage

If his health had allowed and he really wanted that card, eventually he would have won one. How many more years that would have required, who knows. Maybe another three years, maybe more, or maybe less.

I know his history as I was a Bostin fan. RIP

Fair argument. Although In my opinion the "not chasing a pro card" was a cope for not being capable to achieve one. He did make a successful living and income from doing all of it so I stand down.

I guess I just consider this mentality and usage very reckless. Like I would also tell someone shooting heroin to stop doing so and argue against it, but there will still be peers to cheer them on.

Bostin had a new son and continued to abuse the drugs resulting in his death. Taking tren daily for years and not stopping despite knowing the health consequences and responsibility of starting a family.
I just can't respect it.

 

[Enjoythements]

This never works out. Look at Bostin Loyd he was not even going to turn pro or that large of a physique and he blasted more gear than anyone. The guys at the top are not there because of their dosages. No amount of drugs in the world will make up for the training and food intake and consistency it takes to grow to an open pro.

You havent mentioned food intake once. You are not going to compete in open bodybuilding with the mutants with this approach.

my other post is waittinfg admin approval but bostin transformed in 1 year what you did in 15 years so there is that.

Yes, the guys are on top because of the dosages you take that away and they vanish.

Consistency is key 100% agreed and food is overrated pounding down calories you will become fat as fuck yes 270lbs mass monsters need a lot of food but so do normal fucking people weighting 270lbs to maintain. FOOOOOOOD intake is overrated all you need is adequate amount of protein and carbs don't need to pound food like miss piggy you'll become fat and pregantn.

If you are skinny little bitch then yes 300g of protein might be hard for you im sorry

 

[william23kelly]

my other post is waittinfg admin approval but bostin transformed in 1 year what you did in 15 years so there is that.

Yes, the guys are on top because of the dosages you take that away and they vanish.

Consistency is key 100% agreed and food is overrated pounding down calories you will become fat as fuck yes 270lbs mass monsters need a lot of food but so do normal fucking people weighting 270lbs to maintain. FOOOOOOOD intake is overrated all you need is adequate amount of protein and carbs don't need to pound food like miss piggy you'll become fat and pregantn.

If you are skinny little bitch then yes 300g of protein might be hard for you im sorry

Lol

 

[william23kelly]

my other post is waittinfg admin approval but bostin transformed in 1 year what you did in 15 years so there is that.

Yes, the guys are on top because of the dosages you take that away and they vanish.

Consistency is key 100% agreed and food is overrated pounding down calories you will become fat as fuck yes 270lbs mass monsters need a lot of food but so do normal fucking people weighting 270lbs to maintain. FOOOOOOOD intake is overrated all you need is adequate amount of protein and carbs don't need to pound food like miss piggy you'll become fat and pregantn.

If you are skinny little bitch then yes 300g of protein might be hard for you im sorry

Can we see your physique?

 

[Enjoythements]

go tell more people to look at day of eating of open pro and let them copy they will soon be on my 600lbs life hahahahaha

 

[Enjoythements]

Can we see your physique?

do you need to be mathematician to know 1+1=2? stop insulting my intelligence and maybe get into condition and work on your legs before trying to lecture about ped use and how much pro's use

 

[pipo]

Fair argument. Although In my opinion the "not chasing a pro card" was a cope for not being capable to achieve one.

I guess I just consider this mentality and usage very reckless. Like I would also tell someone shooting heroin to stop doing so and argue against it, but there will still be peers to cheer them on.

Bostin had a new son and continued to abuse the drugs resulting in his death. Taking tren daily for years and not stopping despite knowing the health consequences and responsibility of starting a family.
I just can't respect it.

Bostin would have been dead either way with or without taking tren for years. He died from a heart genetic defect. His father had one but his father had surgery.
Nothing related with aas or whatever he was doing in his last part of his life like taking painkillers and so on

 

[william23kelly]

Bostin would have been dead either way with or without taking tren for years. He died from a heart genetic defect. His father had one but his father had surgery.
Nothing related with aas or whatever he doing in his last part of his life like taking painkillers and so on

You're fooling yourself if you believe his death was not a result of the drugs/AAS abuse.

 

[pipo]

You're fooling yourself if you believe his death was not a result of the drugs/AAS abuse.

Autopsy results is fooling me then

 

[william23kelly]

do you need to be mathematician to know 1+1=2? stop insulting my intelligence and maybe get into condition and work on your legs before trying to lecture about ped use and how much pro's use

You lack intelligence my friend. You have no actual knowledge or experience in what we're discussing. It's clear to anyone reading this thread.
Legs are the priotiy this off season already made improvement in size. My conditioning was spot on 100%