Ateam2023
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does dut have less side effects for you ?
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Ateam2023
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i like Healing pharma products,,
Photon
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No sides on both.
Usually people start with Fin and if its not strong enough (and if they can tolerate the sides) then they transition to dut.
No point using both.
Ghoul
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+1 switched from Fin to Dut, and with 3x stronger 5-AR inhibition a larger dose than Fin so I was expecting the worst.
DHT dropped lower than on Fin, but I feel no sides whatsoever. On .5mg/day Fin I was getting mild loss of motivation, slightly lower libido. None of that on .25mg/day Dut (equivalent to .75mg Fin).
I can only assume this is because Fin easily crosses the blood brain barrier and Dut doesn't. So it wasn't lower overall DHT causing the sides for me, it was the impact on the brain directly.
Ateam2023
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so dut is the superior to fin, in regards to sides as well as regrowth?
Photon
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Dut and Fin aren't really for "regrowth" but to prevent hair loss due to DHT.
Dut has a really long half life so if you get sides, you're kind stuck for awhile till it gets out of your system.
Minox for regrowth
Keto shampoo + Dut/Fin for prevention
Ghoul
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Yes. Fin targets type II 5-AR test to DHT conversion. Dut targets type I and II.
5-AR conversion to DHT WITHIN hair follicles, and the scalp generally, is almost exclusively Type I.
So you can imaging having a DHT factory right next to your hair follicles has a significant impact vs just generally lowering circulating DHT with Fin.
To make matters worse, if you have an oily scalp, the sebum that comes out of those pores is rich in DHT because of Type I conversion. It's like spreading DHT cream on your scalp every day.
This isn't just theoretical either. High quality studies consistantly show that all other things equal, Dut results in less loss and more regrowth.
Problem for me is in the US only .5mg gelcaps are available and I was sure that dose was way too high for me. 1mg Fin destroyed my motivation and libido.
I found out later some guys use a syringe to pull some oil out of the caps to lower the dose.
Outside the US .5mg solid tabs are available. So that's what I use (Healing Pharma Dutaheal) just splitting them. Without being in oil, it's only 80% bioavailable. I take it with a high fat meal to get higher absorption. If you don't just keep in mind you're getting 80% of the dose with solids if you ever switch to gelcaps.
I was going to use topical (DutaMax from India), but oral is working out so well I see no need.
DugPrime
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I'm wondering if accutane isn't good for that too
Ateam2023
Member
whats a length of a dut protocol, or is it like you just stay on until your hair is back, , tia
Ghoul
Member
It is. Hyperseborreah is associated with male pattern balding.
High DHT levels or sensitivity triggers excess oil production. Lots of guys report exceptionally oily scalp during phases of accelerated hair loss,
The oily scalp creates conditions for worsening the inflammation that actually kills hair producing stem cells. (this happens after DHT attaches to receptors. stripping those cells of immune system privledge, and they get attracted as if they were an infection). This is where ketoconozole shampoo helps.
And the aforementioned spread of DHT.
I wish I had known this decades ago. I had to wash my hair twice a day to keep it normal, but never knew that oil would accelerate loss and dandruff shampoo would've helped.
After a full course of accutane, for the first time in my life I can go a full day (or two) without my hair getting really oily if I don't wash it. The normalizing of sebum production has been one of the best long term effects of accutane and made the 5 month process well worth it. Accutane permanent shrinks sebum glands, which tend to enlarge with age and steroid use. Shrinks your pores as those glands get smaller too, making your skin look much better.
Ghoul
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Fighting androgenic alopecia is like a never ending battle against a brush fire slowly burning down your hairline.
The key is consistency and starting with a low dose. If you can manage .5mg / day you'll get the best results, but even half that is significant. .25mg is 75-80% as effective.
Loss will be lessened as soon as you start using.
Within the first month, follicles will "reset" and kick out some old hairs and start growing new, thicker hairs. The "shedding phase". Don't panic.
This is subjective but a good idea of what you can expect:
Regrowth will begin to be visible to you around the 6 month mark (take pics, it can be subtle).
It should be visible to others by around the one year mark.
Hair density and regrowth in bare areas will continue to improve for the next 2-5 years.
Then keep talking it to keep your hair loss to a minimum or potentially stop it altogether.
A bonus is a 70% reduction in the risk of prostate cancer, and it'll also keep your prostate from enlarging, which is almost inevitable over time, slowing urination.
ILikeExperiments
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How did that cycle go? For your hair I mean
Hair’s still holding strong - week 5 wrapped up!
There was a bit of shedding, but nothing dramatic - just the usual “check the pillow twice” routine. I actually dropped minoxidil because it started making me retain water like a sponge, so been off it for 3 weeks now. Still running HGH and GHK, which are supposed to help with hair too (or at least that’s what I tell myself while doing injections with hope in my eyes).
Bottom line: hair’s still here, no panic yet!
Ghoul
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FWIW I divided my dose (2.5mg x 2 / day) and by avoiding the peak of a single large dose got rid of the small amount of water I noticed I was holding. Notice no difference in the accelerated hair growth.
niqTM
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Where did you hear that HGH and GHK can help with hair loss?
They help with hair health, but they won’t stop active hair loss.
HGH can improve overall tissue regeneration, blood flow, and sometimes hair thickness, but it doesn’t address the root cause of male pattern baldness - DHT sensitivity.
GHK-Cu supports scalp healing, reduces inflammation, and may stimulate follicle activity, which can improve hair quality, but it also doesn’t block DHT or stop genetic hair loss.
I’m not dealing with hair loss myself - just wanted to support hair health while running Masteron.
Orc419
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This whole hairloss thing is a real nightmare. Going through the "dread shed" period after jumping on oral dutasteride. My hair is falling out to an alarming degree. I understand that this is a normal part of the process as Goul stated before, but it's extremely depressing. Add on top of that the nuking of libido and it's almost unbearable. I have trouble staying hard or even getting hard during sex... I think I'd rather just be bald because what's the point in living like this if you don't feel like a man? I'm still in my 20's I shouldn't have to go through this yet.
Sorry for the rant but people need to be aware of the sides on these things it's not all sunshine and rainbows when you get on these drugs.
I am switching to topical dutasteride and topical minox daily. Has anyone switched to topical and felt alleviation of the libido side effects while still maintaining their hair? Starting to feel a bit hopeless.
Sorry for the rant but people need to be aware of the sides on these things it's not all sunshine and rainbows when you get on these drugs.
I am switching to topical dutasteride and topical minox daily. Has anyone switched to topical and felt alleviation of the libido side effects while still maintaining their hair? Starting to feel a bit hopeless.
AlexDavis43
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No worries man it's on all of our radars.
I've been using topical minox & RU every night and microneedling for a few minutes once a week. I'll add topical duta at some point (sooner better than later). Still have a good head of hair so this is all "prevention."
Bald always wins the bald vs boner debate for me, but fortunately I haven't had to make that decision [yet].
It's not hopeless!
Orc419
Member
I may try RU again if the libido issues don't get better when switching to topical dutasteride. I don't like the idea of using a chemical that hasn't undergone rigorous clinical trials, but it may be a last effort before throwing in the towel.
Best of luck to you as well. Let me know how the RU treats you.
Are the doses here referring to Dut or Fin?
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