HCG mid-cycle?

[ronnievanzant]

Alright, after reviewing everything (amount of gear, how much time to avoid drug tests, etc.), I've realized that I can cycle for about 15 weeks if I choose to. This is unusually long for me, so it's unfamiliar ground. The cycle looks somewhat like this, but I might tweak it mid-cycle if I start to get too big for my sport.

prop 700mg/wk wks 1-8
dbol 37.5mg/day wks 1-4
oral winny 45 or 60mg/day wks 8-13
anavar 30mg/day wks 9-15
GH 2-4IU's 5 on 2 off
nolvadex 20mg/day while on prop
clomid and HCG for PCT

If it's not obvious, I'm trying to gain some mass and strength while on prop and dbol, then harden up and work on strength and explosiveness while on var and winny.

2 questions.

Should I do the oral winny at 45 or 60mgs?
Is this cycle long enough to warrant using HCG mid-cycle? If so, how would I go about this?

Thanks,
RVZ

 

[eleven11]

Alright, after reviewing everything (amount of gear, how much time to avoid drug tests, etc.), I've realized that I can cycle for about 15 weeks if I choose to. This is unusually long for me, so it's unfamiliar ground. The cycle looks somewhat like this, but I might tweak it mid-cycle if I start to get too big for my sport.

prop 700mg/wk wks 1-8
dbol 37.5mg/day wks 1-4
oral winny 45 or 60mg/day wks 8-13
anavar 30mg/day wks 9-15
GH 2-4IU's 5 on 2 off
nolvadex 20mg/day while on prop
clomid and HCG for PCT

If it's not obvious, I'm trying to gain some mass and strength while on prop and dbol, then harden up and work on strength and explosiveness while on var and winny.

2 questions.

Should I do the oral winny at 45 or 60mgs?
Is this cycle long enough to warrant using HCG mid-cycle? If so, how would I go about this?

Thanks,
RVZ

Pretty good cycle. Some might say not to run 2 orals at the same time, pick one. win, or var. You might not need hcg mid cycle if your doing GH, I guess just see how the boys respond. What is your sport and your size goals?......11

 

[nick e. guns]

If you are going to run a long cycle, I think you would want to run test throughout. Running prop for eight weeks and then continuing with var and winny doesn't warrant a longer cycle. IMO you have too many compounds and your goals don't really require it. I would use HCG mid-cycle but only if you run test all the way through. Test will also enhance the benefits of GH more than any other AAS. Please explain your reasoning behind the cycle's design so we can understand what you are trying to accomplish better.

 

[ronnievanzant]

If you are going to run a long cycle, I think you would want to run test throughout. Running prop for eight weeks and then continuing with var and winny doesn't warrant a longer cycle. IMO you have too many compounds and your goals don't really require it. I would use HCG mid-cycle but only if you run test all the way through. Test will also enhance the benefits of GH more than any other AAS. Please explain your reasoning behind the cycle's design so we can understand what you are trying to accomplish better.

I play D1 football. I'm currently 6'3" about 255, bf higher than normal b/c of injuries (probably 14-15%). I'd like to maybe get to 260 and cut down my bf. My rationale behind
the cycle was to gain some quality mass the first 8 weeks, then concentrate on explosion (mostly olympic lifts) and speed and getting in top shape for the season the last several weeks by using non-aromatizing AAS. I have no objections to using prop throughout if I think I need to. Why do you say that GH is best used with test rather than other AAS. I've never heard this before. Thanks.

-RVZ

 

[ceasar]

If you are going to run a long cycle, I think you would want to run test throughout. Running prop for eight weeks and then continuing with var and winny doesn't warrant a longer cycle. IMO you have too many compounds and your goals don't really require it. I would use HCG mid-cycle but only if you run test all the way through. Test will also enhance the benefits of GH more than any other AAS. Please explain your reasoning behind the cycle's design so we can understand what you are trying to accomplish better.

I agree -- gh is expensive so get the biggest bang for you buck-- run prop all hte way through drop the anavar and take 60mg of winnie-- do hcg mid cycle and start nov, in week 2 -- prop is fast acting so it will leave youer system fast so start clomid about 2 weeks after last shot of prop --

but im not the best to say -- other bros here know much more than me!

 

[eleven11]

I play D1 football. I'm currently 6'3" about 255, bf higher than normal b/c of injuries (probably 14-15%). I'd like to maybe get to 260 and cut down my bf. My rationale behind
the cycle was to gain some quality mass the first 8 weeks, then concentrate on explosion (mostly olympic lifts) and speed and getting in top shape for the season the last several weeks by using non-aromatizing AAS. I have no objections to using prop throughout if I think I need to. Why do you say that GH is best used with test rather than other AAS. I've never heard this before. Thanks.

-RVZ

I think he meant as far as gaining size test and GH are a great combo, but that is not your only goal so I think your cycle looks good. of course if the size isn't where you want it then stay on the test. and the GH will be good for the injurys........11

 

[ronnievanzant]

I think he meant as far as gaining size test and GH are a great combo, but that is not your only goal so I think your cycle looks good. of course if the size isn't where you want it then stay on the test. and the GH will be good for the injurys........11

That's exactly what I was thinking, eleven11. I should have been more clear that I'm using the growth more for injury prevention/healing and to help retain gains than to actually grow.

Any input on the HCG mid-cycle?

-RVZ

 

[nick e. guns]

As long as you are going to run prop all the way through, then yes, I would run some HCG at 500 iu's ED starting in week seven. You can run it higher at 1000 iu's ED if 500 doesn't help. I don't think you are going to like the winny on your joints toward the end if you are working on explosive lifts. It will dry them out and make you feel like an 80 year old man. If you really want to boost your strength towards the end run some tren at 100 mg EOD, the var should work fine on its own though. And if you wanted to cut toward the end, a T3 cycle (4-6 weeks) makes a great addition to GH use. Good luck.