Healing Injuries- No Magic Bullets eh?

[power36]

I am about 2/3 way through the thread about "Peptides and AAS - Joints and Tendon Repair" and doing my best to hang with all the medical scientific language. Essentially it seems that its all been myth and bro science on all the various forums concerning Deca, Primo, Var, EQ having healing properties.

As well I might be confused but it seems HGH is not going to help connective tissue heal either from those articles in the thread? I've read somewhere about surgeons speeding up healing by filling a joint full of HGH (I think it was in Sports Illustrated or something a few years back), and of course many folks on the forums saying HGH helped heal up injuries. So damn confusing... A friend even had a doctor from an anti aging clinic tell him Nandrolone will "thicken tendons" and "reduce inflammation" but of course that clinic is selling Deca and NPP for $250 a bottle and advising 16 weeks of running it at 200mg per week and saying there will not be any sexual sides or need for worry about prolactin or progesterone, just to run your normal AI dose that you do with TRT.

So...is healing connective tissue injuries really about good physical therapy, and holistic recovery methods like perhaps deep tissue massage, accupuncture, and backing off training?

I have a competitive bodybuilder friend in his late 60s. Has his pro card and a very jacked man that you would mistake for 20 years younger. He found out he has a partially torn rotator cuff and something else going with a shoulder or bicep tendon, and doctors are giving him different advice. One says go for surgery, but others say hell no at that age the tissue might not be that great to cut on and heal, it might not workout and impact his lifting. He can still lift just a few things irritate it with doing chest. Another doctor is saying PRP and stem cell. But stem cell is outrageously expensive and PRP being good for healing is as confusing as whether HGH really helps healing or not. Another person is just telling him to back off lifting and do PT for a while.

Of course guys in his bodybuilding community are advising HGH and Deca, but I told him to hold off as I am trying to read up all the threads on here first to see if its worth the cash. if its word of mouth there are going to be hundreds or thousands of guys saying yes do Deca, EQ, HGH etc and it will help healing and pain issues....but what is the real verdict for healing on:
-Nandrolone
-EQ
-Var/Primo (all the above from that folklore % of healing connective tissue email that has been on all the forums and debunked)
-HGH
--or a doctor advising him to use Sermorelin since its cheaper but claims still effective
--another doctor advising Secretropin that many vets are having success with raising HGH
-BPC 157
-TB 500
-PRP
-Stem Cell
-Prolotherapy
and probably a longer list of peptides and SARMS and other stuff I am not familiar with.

Dr. Scally is the man on all of this it seems, but I do have a hard time hanging with reading those abbreviated summaries of studies. Some seem to say Deca or HGH might work, then there are those saying nope...and its clear from that long thread he thinks nandrolone is no no, and Dr. Jim as well either in that thread or another seems to agree Nandrolone is a no no...

Confusing thing is many doctors who do anti aging will tell you that the nandrolone and HGH (or Sermorelin or Secretropin) speed up healing, and they can seem with well intention, but they also make money off of it. And if the things like TB 500 and BPC 157 do help healing, why aren't doctors using it?

Is there any real conclusive bottom line to the above list of substances concerning healing connective tissue, that is backed both by those with personal experience and research?

Or do I need to tell my buddy to pay for a consult with Dr Scally to get the real bottom line?

 

[Dr JIM]

Correct the is NO MAGIC healing bullet OR it would be a part of existing medical therapeutics BUT there are a hell of A LOT of promises on behalf of supplement manufactures, snake oil salesman, or blog/fourm administrators who would like nothing more than to empty the pockets of those who are desperate for another way, pill, concoction or remedy!

As an aid to what I'm referring to take a gander at the web site QUACKWATCH.COM

 

[ambulldog]

My surgeon told me that prp has for the most part been written off. He said, i did not validate, that the newer findings show it to be no more effective than cortisone or a placebo for that matter.

 

[power36]

Thanks...so PRP no dice either!

I told my buddy to hold off doing anything and focus on PT, ART, accupuncture, and some Chinese trigger point deep tissue guy he likes as well. Paying out the ass for stem cell, PRP, or HGH thinking it will help heal is not worth the risk. He already got some HGH but I do not trust his sources. He is a competitive BB and whatever stuff he does get works obviously from how he looks all these years, but I do not know if its always what he is told it is. Most of what he gets comes with no labels, and the guys do not even tell him what the dosing is per bottle of HGH or gear, just tell him how many CCs to do of whatever...

If Nandrolone was good for healing at least we know he could get legit Deca or NPP from a Florida clinic. That is the bummer, if NPP and Var did help healing like that folklore "research" at least he could get real NPP and Var from the clinic and be good to go! Heck, its even temping to me to try NPP and Var just because I know it would be real straight from a compounding pharmacy.

I recently heard on a Mike Mahler podcast, forget whatever doctor or scientist they were interviewing, but they tested a bunch of the "research chemical" companies that sell stuff like BPC 157, TB 500, peptides, ancillaries, etc etc....and the powders were contaminated with all sorts of bad shit, and dosing was way low even if there was some of what it was advertised to be. So even if the BPC or TB helped with healing you roll the dice with buying it and injecting perhaps dirty ass germs that could do more harm than the good the compound is you thought you were buying!