Help choosing between tren and wintrol

[Johnk97209]

Hello, this is my first post. I've done a couple blasts with Anavar and winstrol and I'm on testosterone continuously usually taking about 400mg. Last time I tried winstrol I did pretty well on it. Definitely seemed to have more upside than Anavar. Was taking 50mg split 25/25 am pm. Didn't really get any noticeable sides (surprisingly) except for I could feel the increase bp which I didn't really feel at all on Anavar and test. Like my heart pounded harder and my body felt tense like being on a stimulant but without the stimulation.

I'd like to try tren because I'm intrigued by the prospect of dramatic gains. Similar how other people talk about trying a cycle in general it's something I just want to try at least once and I would only ever do it again if it went better than expected. I know there's lots of people who've tried tren and been turned off by the sides so they never really have much desire to do it again. I'm 34 and I'm in that yolo mode.

I'm just wondering if I would get close to the results of a low dose tren cycle like 350mg tops with winstrol. I'm not really interested in running more than that because I'm wary of exposing myself to to severe of sides and its not like I'm competing or anything. If I can get 75% the results with winstrol I might just lean towards another winstrol cycle, since I already know how it effects me so there's not as much risk. Maybe I could bump it up to 75mg? However if tren really is that much better I think I might want to try it, especially because of the way winstrol made me feel all tensed up and made my heart beat uncomfortable. I know tren also raises bp but is it as perceptible like it was for me with winstrol?

Tldr: is tren 50mg/ day worth it vs. winstrol 50-75mg per day all things considered? What would you choose?

 

[Jestopherson]

Never used winstrol but honestly 200mg tren for a first go would be plenty. I just did 150, had noticeable changes by end of week 1. New vascularity that I've never hard before on my triceps and lats. Sides very manageable with am enjoyable strength and libido increase.

That's the extent of my experience with tren though, but maybe it carries some weight albeit very minimal.

 

[Derailed82]

Never used winstrol but honestly 200mg tren for a first go would be plenty. I just did 150, had noticeable changes by end of week 1. New vascularity that I've never hard before on my triceps and lats. Sides very manageable with am enjoyable strength and libido increase.

That's the extent of my experience with tren though, but maybe it carries some weight albeit very minimal.

I agree, 150mg/wk is a great starting point to see how you react. TNT is perfect for this with Test E 250. I usually pin 1/2ml TNT & 1/2ml Test E twice a week to run 500 test/150 Tren. Minimal oils being pinned with no PIP. I react really well to 500mg test/week and adding that small amount of Tren is amazing with no sides and no orals.

 

[Johnk97209]

I agree, 150mg/wk is a great starting point to see how you react. TNT is perfect for this with Test E 250. I usually pin 1/2ml TNT & 1/2ml Test E twice a week to run 500 test/150 Tren. Minimal oils being pinned with no PIP. I react really well to 500mg test/week and adding that small amount of Tren is amazing with no sides and no orals.

What do you think would be a comparable tren dose to 50mg winstrol ed? Would 150mg tren be as strong? I'm wondering if a low dose tren would be less harsh on my system than 50mg winstrol thus potential making it more desirable for a recomp...

 

[NLM36]

What do you think would be a comparable tren dose to 50mg winstrol ed? Would 150mg tren be as strong? I'm wondering if a low dose tren would be less harsh on my system than 50mg winstrol thus potential making it more desirable for a recomp...

Recomp comes from diet and training not drugs. Stop overthinking the drugs. Just train and diet how you’re supposed to for your goal and take the drugs.
Tren is better at nutrient partitioning than winstrol if that’s the answer you’re looking for

 

[Johnk97209]

Recomp comes from diet and training not drugs. Stop overthinking the drugs. Just train and diet how you’re supposed to for your goal and take the drugs.
Tren is better at nutrient partitioning than winstrol if that’s the answer you’re looking for

That's not the point. You can have a more impressive recomp with drugs. This is an objective fact. Of course you can recomp with diet and training alone. But you can do a lot more with drugs. Hoping I didn't have to deal with this sort of virtue signaling here. And that doesn't answer my question of what a comparable tren dose is to 50mg winstrol in terms of results and which has a harsher impact to your body.

 

[NLM36]

That's not the point. You can have a more impressive recomp with drugs. This is an objective fact. Of course you can recomp with diet and training alone. But you can do a lot more with drugs. Hoping I didn't have to deal with this sort of virtue signaling here. And that doesn't answer my question of what a comparable tren dose is to 50mg winstrol in terms of results and which has a harsher impact to your body.

It’s not virtue signaling. Why do people misuse words?
tren and Winstrol aren’t comparable they’re 2 completely different drugs. One is a dht the other is a 19nor.
they don’t even do the same thing.
No one can tell you which will have more of a negative impact on health that’s individual.
you know this right?
theyre not comparable at any dose.

 

[Jestopherson]

It’s not virtue signaling. Why do people misuse words?
tren and Winstrol aren’t comparable they’re 2 completely different drugs. One is a dht the other is a 19nor.
they don’t even do the same thing.
No one can tell you which will have more of a negative impact on health that’s individual.
you know this right?
theyre not comparable at any dose.

I don't get what he wants. May as well be comparing mast to deca. They're different drugs, different derivatives.

 

[NLM36]

I don't get what he wants. May as well be comparing mast to deca. They're different drugs, different derivatives.

I understand his question but its an impossible one to give an answer to.
For me Winstrol fucks my cholesterol up at any dose and makes me feel brittle and achy.
I also look at Winstrol as being more effective as a finishing touch or polishing drug.
Tren will be more effective for his goal at 50mg eod he could get a lot out of it.
but neither of these are inherently healthier than the other.
it’s also different person to person as to which one will have a worse effect on bloods.
These guys come in looking for personalized answers but it’s not something any of us can give to an anonymous stranger on the internet

 

[Jestopherson]

I understand his question but its an impossible one to give an answer to.
For me Winstrol fucks my cholesterol up at any dose and makes me feel brittle and achy.
I also look at Winstrol as being more effective as a finishing touch or polishing drug.
Tren will be more effective for his goal at 50mg eod he could get a lot out of it.
but neither of these are inherently healthier than the other.
it’s also different person to person as to which one will have a worse effect on bloods.
These guys come in looking for personalized answers but it’s not something any of us can give to an anonymous stranger on the internet

I guess the best answer would be run both separately. Take pre and post bloods. Then compare the results taking the effects on markers into account. Then he'd know.

 

[Derailed82]

Apples to oranges and sides/results depend on the individual. You won't get an answer here that you're looking for.

 

[Johnk97209]

I don't get what he wants. May as well be comparing mast to deca. They're different drugs, different derivatives.

I'm comparing them because they both produce dry gains compared to most other compounds. I would have asked about Anavar but it's not quite strong enough for my liking and I'm not really interested in something like superdrol or other more harsh orals.

 

[Johnk97209]

I understand his question but its an impossible one to give an answer to.
For me Winstrol fucks my cholesterol up at any dose and makes me feel brittle and achy.
I also look at Winstrol as being more effective as a finishing touch or polishing drug.
Tren will be more effective for his goal at 50mg eod he could get a lot out of it.
but neither of these are inherently healthier than the other.
it’s also different person to person as to which one will have a worse effect on bloods.
These guys come in looking for personalized answers but it’s not something any of us can give to an anonymous stranger on the internet

Do most people require caber for tren at or under 200mg/wk? that was kinda the answer I was looking for about the dose comparisons so thanks. Also I put this in another comment but the reason it's a choice between these two is because they both produce dry gains and winstrol seems to be substantially stronger than Anavar and superdrol sounds a bit too harsh. So I can't really think of anything else that produces similar results.

 

[NLM36]

Do most people require caber for tren at or under 200mg/wk?

I can’t tell you that, again that’s an individual thing. You’re asking for personalized information.

 

[NLM36]

I'm comparing them because they both produce dry gains compared to most other compounds. I would have asked about Anavar but it's not quite strong enough for my liking and I'm not really interested in something like superdrol or other more harsh orals.

Compared to what compounds? Dhb, primo, epistane, hdrol?
Anavar is much more useful than Winstrol. Var kicks Winstrols ass on mg per mg basis.

 

[Johnk97209]

I can’t tell you that, again that’s an individual thing. You’re asking for personalized information.

That's why I said "do most people" I wasn't talking about myself or asking "do you think I would need caber" if it's 50/50 as in about half do and half don't then I understand that there wouldn't be an answer but if the majority of people don't need caber at a certain dosage (like 100mg) or the majority of people do need caber at a certain higher dosage like 600mg then that would be something that could potentially be answered.

 

[Johnk97209]

Compared to what compounds? Dhb, primo, epistane, hdrol?
Anavar is much more useful than Winstrol. Var kicks Winstrols ass on mg per mg basis.

Ok I have a source that I want to use that doesn't have everything - dhb, epistane, hdrol I thought about Masterson or primo but I've researched them and winstrol and tren appeal to me more for my goals. If I was just looking to build muscle and get huge there would obviously be a lot more options. That's why I said "most". I've only tried Anavar and winstrol once so I don't have a lot of experience but winstrol seemed to give me a lot more at 50mg each. And thats the general consensus as well. I would be open to dosing Anavar higher but then it's like I would have to buy two bottles of it otherwise I'm not gonna be able to run it as long.

 

[NLM36]

Ok I have a source that I want to use that doesn't have everything - dhb, epistane, hdrol I thought about Masterson or primo but I've researched them and winstrol and tren appeal to me more for my goals. If I was just looking to build muscle and get huge there would obviously be a lot more options. That's why I said "most". I've only tried Anavar and winstrol once so I don't have a lot of experience but winstrol seemed to give me a lot more at 50mg each. And thats the general consensus as well. I would be open to dosing Anavar higher but then it's like I would have to buy two bottles of it otherwise I'm not gonna be able to run it as long.

If the var is real theres no need to dose it higher. Anavar is probably one of if the not best oral all around

 

[Ecto]

Winstrol over Tren for me. The strength gains and hardness from it are great.

 

[Test_Subject]

I'm comparing them because they both produce dry gains compared to most other compounds. I would have asked about Anavar but it's not quite strong enough for my liking and I'm not really interested in something like superdrol or other more harsh orals.

There’s no such thing as “dry” gains. Once you come off cycle and the extra muscle glycogen is gone from “wet” compounds, lean tissue is lean tissue.

Whether you gain 10 lbs on dbol where 5 of it is water, or 5 lbs off of winstrol with next to no water, you’re gaining 5 lbs of mass. It’s not like there’s some magical type of muscle fibre you can build with certain steroids.