Help formulating mass monster cycle

Barbellforeskin

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I’ve been training 4 years natty. Little over 1 year enhanced now. First cycle was 500-750 test 24 weeks. Amazing gains. I’ve played with tren a little. Makes me depressed when I get off. Second cycle 750 test 600 deca (didn’t want to add DHT due to wanting to know exactly what sides are from). Great in terms of size and strength just got lethargic from Deca and my penis struggled to work at the end. Stats are 175lbs 10% bf 5’8. My entire life is centered around bodybuilding. Diet and training are dialed in. My dream is to compete at the highest level possible and I’ll do anything to get there. Anyways I’m here bc I need help with a third cycle and I’m sick of being told my redditors that all I need is 500test 400mast to reach mass monster size. I want to add some serious tissue. I know it will take a long time. My current plan next cycle is 1.25g test 1g primo. Working up to 10iu HGH and I also have Lantus insulin. Any advice from experienced users is appreciated.
 
You can only put on so much tissue in any given time period. Taking the kitchen sink won't circumvent that. There's no magic bullet to putting on size; it takes patience. AAS more or less exert anabolism through the same pathway. Nobody can give you an "ideal" cycle; find what you can run for the longest with the least side effects.
 
Food is the only answer. You can't just take gear and think you'll get there. With time
Food isn’t an issue in the slightest. I just want the most time efficient way of getting to my goal which I’m aware will take well over a decade.
Bro. 175 at 5’8.

You’re skipping a dozen steps asking for “mass monster” cycles.
what would you recommend for me and my goals at this point in time?
 
Food isn’t an issue in the slightest. I just want the most time efficient way of getting to my goal which I’m aware will take well over a decade.

what would you recommend for me and my goals at this point in time?
Im an IFBB pro who was 1 spot from an Olympia qualification last year and your second cycle is more gear then I used for offseason and >75% of my time in prep.

Trust me when I say (and endorse the other comments here) that at 175, 1300mg+ is completely unnecessary.

Aside from food and time, I can’t tell you what you need because I don’t know or coach you. But I can tell you 1. You don’t need 2g of gear to grow at 175 and 2. if you hypothetically did, bodybuilding isn’t for you.
 
You can only put on so much tissue in any given time period. Taking the kitchen sink won't circumvent that. There's no magic bullet to putting on size; it takes patience. AAS more or less exert anabolism through the same pathway. Nobody can give you an "ideal" cycle; find what you can run for the longest with the least side effects.
This question is going to sound retarded but I’m going to ask anyways out of curiosity. How did Rich Piana add 48lbs of stage weight in a year?
 
There’s no such thing a stage weight if you don’t get on stage.

Rich added weight eating like a bottomless pit paired with 4+ hrs in the gym a day and high gear doses he got to over decades, not months.

May wanna check where Rich ended up and make sure that’s a path you actually wanna take.
 
There’s no such thing a stage weight if you don’t get on stage.

Rich added weight eating like a bottomless pit paired with 4+ hrs in the gym a day and high gear doses he got to over decades, not months.

May wanna check where Rich ended up and make sure that’s a path you actually wanna take.
How does one utilize that much food without getting fat? Insulin and HGH use?
 
Sorry for the double post. But I want you to hear (and hopefully understand) that you’re not the first and definitely won’t be the last to ask this type of question.

You may take offense but I don’t really care; the second I hear “I’ll do whatever it takes,” as a coach, I know what you really mean is you’re willing to be reckless with drugs, not that you’re actually willing to do what it takes to get huge. Your training can’t be perfect because 4 years isn’t nearly enough time to develop that skill. Your diet cant be on point if in 4 years including 2 cycles you’re only 175

When the Redditors response isn’t far off base you know you’re out in left field dude. Reconsider and realize this is a marathon you seem to be trying to sprint.
 
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Sorry for the double post. But I want you to hear (and hopefully understand) that you’re not the first and definitely won’t be the last to ask this type of question.

You may take offense but I don’t really care; the second I hear “I’ll do whatever it takes,” as a coach, I know what you really mean is you’re willing to be reckless with drugs, not that you’re actually willing to do what it takes to get huge. Your training can’t be perfect because 4 years isn’t nearly enough time to develop that skill. Your diet can be on point if in 4 years including 2 cycles you’re only 175

When the Redditors response isn’t far off base you know you’re out in left field dude. Reconsider and realize this is a marathon you seem to be trying to sprint.
I appreciate your response man truly. Coming from a real pro I trust everything you’re saying to me. I got bloods prior to hopping on and my test was in the high 200s after years of consistent training and dieting so that could make sense as to why I had such bad progression naturally. Just TRT has been a game changer for me.
 
your shooting yourself in the foot by taking lots of gear in the beginning

once you go to a dosage your stuck and cant go back down and will have to keep increasing to make gains

you will soon max out dosages and wont make progress

should of started lower

im 5'7'
220lbs with visible abs
ive only done 2 cycles.. most ive taken is 500 test and 100 deca
i focus more on training and food
my goal is to be a 300lbs freak... it takes time
 
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