help with cycle, please critique

[rook48]

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

I'm spreading the EQ and Test like this so I can take the tren the first four and last four weeks, from what I've read it's pretty toxic after 4 weeks

 

[MASSIVE1000]

I dont understand 67 tren EOD bro...What are you trying to gain...what are your goals....I dont like that cycle, it seems to hard to understand and not viable. If your goals, given your cycle is to gain lean muscle but a mild bulker, I would go with just a test/tren cycle.....I suggest test at 500 mg of test and tren e at 500 mg...your diet and training will dictate the rest.....Let me know what your goals are or what you think of that cycle.

I agree! Some of you guys make this too damn complicated....there is no need to run Eq and tren together....do one or the other.

 

[rook48]

my goal is to put on about 15-20 ilbs of solid muscle. i would do the tren with EQ because they both do different things and act completely different as far as how they work. the half life for tren is totally different from EQ, which is why I would take tren EOD basically because you have to.

thanks for your input guys

 

[steel59]

I wouldn't seperate the tren... It's overstated how toxic it is... I'd run that the last 8 weeks... Start your eq at 600mg and then 400mg for the next nine weeks... pick up some more test and run it at the same dosage straight through the cycle... 500mg/week is fine... Eat clean, train hard... don't forget to rest... good luck bro

 

[BigYNY]

Make it simple
week 1-11 eq at 600 mg week
week 1-12 test at 750 mg week
week 8-14 tren acetate at 75mg ED
week 14 clomid 300mg day 1, 100mg days for the next 10 days and 50mg for the next 10 days
keep taking nolva at 10mg throuout the cycle

 

[PUMPED]

rook...to be quite honest with you, your cycle makes little sense...like the bros said above keep it simple...do a little more research while you are at it...this board is filled with useful information..it amazes me how few people actually do some research....be smart research...

two options with the gear you posted....

500 mgs of test enan a wk, wks 1-13
400-500 mgs of EQ a wk, wks 1-12
(optional) oral winny 50 mgs ed, wks 10-15
10 mgs nolv ed
PCT..do a seach there are many different ways to run it..

or
500 mgs of test enan a wk wks 1-12
400-500 mgs of Tren enan a wk wks 1-10
10 mgs of nolv ed
200-300 mgs of B-6 ed
PCT

good luck and stay safe

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

I'm spreading the EQ and Test like this so I can take the tren the first four and last four weeks, from what I've read it's pretty toxic after 4 weeks

 

[rook48]

as far as test goes, and i know they're different, which works better sustanon or test enan?

 

[mrpg13]

as far as test goes, and i know they're different, which works better sustanon or test enan?

This is a matter of opinion, but I prefer a one ester test, like enanthate. Its easier to keep blood levels staedy, and manage side effects.

Either way, listen to the other bro's, and keep it simple.

Good Luck

 

[test-one]

how long have you been traing?
at 19 youd think youd have lots of test still flowin.id say lay of the gear for a few years and max out your natural potential.but hey what do i know?

 

[rook48]

I've been training for about 6 years, and I've put on a lot of quality muscle, but it's much harder to make good gains than before. I've gotten up to about 210, probably at 10-12% bf, and i doubt i'll get much higher than that becaue of my genetics.

how long have you been traing?
at 19 youd think youd have lots of test still flowin.id say lay of the gear for a few years and max out your natural potential.but hey what do i know?

 

[freak]

At your age you can still keep making gains. Keep experimenting with training techniques/rest time and increasing the protein and carbs.

more food [ whole & healthy ] + compound muscle exercises + rest = MASS.

 

[MaxRep]

Rook,
I received your pm.

Currently you're laying out a pyramid. That's an outdated technique that's no longer used. Reason being you want your blood hormone levels to get up to maximum values as quickly as possible so you'll receive the most benefit as soon as possible. On the back end, tapering down does nothing. Your natural test is already suppressed and lowering dosages won't help restart your Test production. Only stopping and doing some sort of pct will help.

Instead of the pyramid, what's been found to be much more effective is to front load your injectables at 1.5-2 x's the regular dose for the first 2 weeks. Then run them straight through to the end. Then wait 2 weeks for the hormone levels to drop sufficiently and then start your pct. In your case, you should use hcg and clomid for pct.

You're taking Eq and Test which are both twice a week shots so your Tren should be Tren enan. so it too would be taken twice a week with the other 2. Tren ace. really needs to be shot ED and there's no reason to do that when tren enan is an option. Shots ED are a hassle and build up too much scar tissue. Tren is not toxic. Do the research yourself instead of listening to people pass on baseless rumors.

Example cycle:
week 1-2 800mg EQ
week 1-2 1000mg Test (either sust or enan)
week 1-2 500mg Tren enan.
week 3-11 400mg Eq
week 3-12 500mg Test
week 3-12 350mg Tren

I stopped Eq one week early as it's undec. ester has a longer half life than enanthate.

You can take B6 at 200mg/day to help prevent any tren gyno and nolvadex at 10-20mg/day for the test. Take both through week 15, stopping on your Last shot of HCG.

Adding in proviron at 50mg/day also provides a small benefit.

Your pct would start week 14. HCG at 1,000iu/day for 10 days. clomid starts on your last hcg shot at 100mg/day for 1 week. followed by 50mg/day for the next 3 weeks.

Having said all this, I have to emphasize your gains will primarily come from your training and diet. You need to be eating a minimum of 300 grams or protein/day and whatever calorie total to meet your goals. If you're looking to add a lot of muscle, somewhere around 4,500 calories/day. I encourage you to spend time in the training forum to fine tune your workouts so they're as effective as possible.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[john_phillips]

Rook,
I received your pm.

Currently you're laying out a pyramid. That's an outdated technique that's no longer used. Reason being you want your blood hormone levels to get up to maximum values as quickly as possible so you'll receive the most benefit as soon as possible. On the back end, tapering down does nothing. Your natural test is already suppressed and lowering dosages won't help restart your Test production. Only stopping and doing some sort of pct will help.

Instead of the pyramid, what's been found to be much more effective is to front load your injectables at 1.5-2 x's the regular dose for the first 2 weeks. Then run them straight through to the end. Then wait 2 weeks for the hormone levels to drop sufficiently and then start your pct. In your case, you should use hcg and clomid for pct.

You're taking Eq and Test which are both twice a week shots so your Tren should be Tren enan. so it too would be taken twice a week with the other 2. Tren ace. really needs to be shot ED and there's no reason to do that when tren enan is an option. Shots ED are a hassle and build up too much scar tissue. Tren is not toxic. Do the research yourself instead of listening to people pass on baseless rumors.

Example cycle:
week 1-2 800mg EQ
week 1-2 1000mg Test (either sust or enan)
week 1-2 500mg Tren enan.
week 3-11 400mg Eq
week 3-12 500mg Test
week 3-12 350mg Tren

I stopped Eq one week early as it's undec. ester has a longer half life than enanthate.

You can take B6 at 200mg/day to help prevent any tren gyno and nolvadex at 10-20mg/day for the test. Take both through week 15, stopping on your Last shot of HCG.

Adding in proviron at 50mg/day also provides a small benefit.

Your pct would start week 14. HCG at 1,000iu/day for 10 days. clomid starts on your last hcg shot at 100mg/day for 1 week. followed by 50mg/day for the next 3 weeks.

Having said all this, I have to emphasize your gains will primarily come from your training and diet. You need to be eating a minimum of 300 grams or protein/day and whatever calorie total to meet your goals. If you're looking to add a lot of muscle, somewhere around 4,500 calories/day. I encourage you to spend time in the training forum to fine tune your workouts so they're as effective as possible.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Rook - I got your pm as well.

First...being 5'7 and above 200 pounds at your age (or even at 30 years old) is a pretty big fella. I would suggest growing naturally and finding what diet and training principles your body responds to BEFORE getting (back) on the juice. I wholeheartedly think you should wait a while and see what you can do naturally.

That being said...a determined male wont be swayed, so if you are going to venture back into the steroids, MaxRep's input is great stuff. Follow what he has laid out, eat plenty of protein and quality calories, rest a bunch and you will progress nicely.

Keep us posted on the cycle.

JaPe

 

[thick]

alright rook. I would agree to go with maxrep as well. Since deca only cycle is all u have done, u could just as well drop out the tren and do a test/eq cycle. This isnt a race and u should be able to get great gains off of that if your diet and training are in order. Than next spring hit a test/tren cycle. I am confused on one thing. In your last post u said u got up to 210. Your first post u had been 220 and cut to 205 for the summer. At your age I would still say dont do anything lol but since u r going to than good luck and eat away and lift hard