Help with Test E & Deca cycle

[Misternips]

I'm revisiting meso for advice after 5 years since my first cycle. I'm 30 years old now chilling at 164 lbs body weight and just want to take a shortcut to 180 or so. I ordered some ppl finished test e 250 and deca 300 hopefully not bunk. My question is what's needed for on cycle support other than AI? I'll have arimidex and clomid on hand but do I need anything else? From what I've read the concern with deca is prolactin, how do you keep that under control?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Don't use a stupid amount and you shouldn't have any issues.

You didn't mention how much you plan to use per week. i can't really comment on the PCT aspect, but i'm guessing future replies will tell you to use NPP in place of Deca due to Deca lingering in the body and postponing how soon you can begin your PCT protocol once the cycle is over.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

How tall are you @Misternips ? I can appreciate the allure of gear I really do but 164lbs is tiny and you are better off just eating more and training well to reach your potential first. Steroids are the ace in your hand and once you play that card there's no going back. I recognize you did your first cycle already but since it's been years since then I honestly hope you reconsider and get your diet and training on point first. Do that and you'll know when you're ready for steroids.

I would also save the Deca for when you're more experienced with running cycles and controlling estrogen and the prolactin issues of a nandrolone that come up with poor estrogen control.

But fuck. This is just some jackass online telling another jackass what to do so take it with a grain of salt.

Have you taken the time to consider doses you want to run? What did you do for the first cycle?

 

[Juicy AF]

You may want some caber or proviron on hand, as well as tadalafil.

My current cycle (which has been perfect) below:


500 mg Test E
550 mg Deca
50 mg TBol ED (wk 1-4)
10 mg Tadalafil ED
0.25 mg Caber E3.5D
0.5 mg Anastrozole 3x/wk
50 mg Anadrol 3x / wk (Heavy Days (wk 16-20))
10 mg GW 50156 PWO

NAC - 1800 mg
TUDCA- 500 mg
Fish Oil - 4K

 

[Misternips]

Don't use a stupid amount and you shouldn't have any issues.

You didn't mention how much you plan to use per week. i can't really comment on the PCT aspect, but i'm guessing future replies will tell you to use NPP in place of Deca due to Deca lingering in the body and postponing how soon you can begin your PCT protocol once the cycle is over.

500/400 test/deca once a week. First cycle I ran 600 test alone every 3.5 days and it was great. In short I had an injury and didn't wanna wait to regain the muscle I lost, so I ran gear at 137 lbs and at the end of that 12 week cycle I was 163 lbs. PCT was great and only lost about 4 lbs a few months after. For this PCT I was going to run clomid at 100/100/50/50 but I'm not sure about the arimidex dosage/freq, I ran aromasin befkre

 

[Misternips]

How tall are you @Misternips ? I can appreciate the allure of gear I really do but 164lbs is tiny and you are better off just eating more and training well to reach your potential first. Steroids are the ace in your hand and once you play that card there's no going back. I recognize you did your first cycle already but since it's been years since then I honestly hope you reconsider and get your diet and training on point first. Do that and you'll know when you're ready for steroids.

I would also save the Deca for when you're more experienced with running cycles and controlling estrogen and the prolactin issues of a nandrolone that come up with poor estrogen control.

But fuck. This is just some jackass online telling another jackass what to do so take it with a grain of salt.

Have you taken the time to consider doses you want to run? What did you do for the first cycle?

Lol I'm 5'10" I already know what I'm going to hear. I'm also sitting at about 7% body fat at the moment. First cycle was 600 test e3d and this cycle will be 500 with 400deca once a week

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Lol I'm 5'10" I already know what I'm going to hear. I'm also sitting at about 7% body fat at the moment. First cycle was 600 test e3d and this cycle will be 500 with 400deca once a week

If you ran aromasin last time try to remember your dose and stick with it this new cycle. No need to try arimidex if aromasin worked for you last time. For me @500mg I need 25mg per week to keep good with E2 but your results will vary.

I’m personally a fan of running Test at 500mg/wk and have stuck with that as the base for several cycles over the years. You’ll need an AI but probably minimal doses to keep E2 in a good range to keep prolactin in check too.

I would very much suggest you consider pinning more frequently like 2x/wk since you’ll experience more issues with spikes and valleys with weekly injections. Even with longer esters I pin eod or ED.

Based on your measurements your TDEE is between 2600-3000calories a day if you’re actually 7%BF. You’ll need to eat AT LEAST 3500 calories to grow at least 1lb of muscle a week with perfect training and recovery while understanding some weight put on will be fat too. This is absolutely possible to meet your goal of 180lbs in 12-15 weeks cycle.

 

[Misternips]

If you ran aromasin last time try to remember your dose and stick with it this new cycle. No need to try arimidex if aromasin worked for you last time. For me @500mg I need 25mg per week to keep good with E2 but your results will vary.

I’m personally a fan of running Test at 500mg/wk and have stuck with that as the base for several cycles over the years. You’ll need an AI but probably minimal doses to keep E2 in a good range to keep prolactin in check too.

I would very much suggest you consider pinning more frequently like 2x/wk since you’ll experience more issues with spikes and valleys with weekly injections. Even with longer esters I pin eod or ED.

Based on your measurements your TDEE is between 2600-3000calories a day if you’re actually 7%BF. You’ll need to eat AT LEAST 3500 calories to grow at least 1lb of muscle a week with perfect training and recovery while understanding some weight put on will be fat too. This is absolutely possible to meet your goal of 180lbs in 12-15 weeks cycle.

So every 3.5 days would be better for both the test AND deca? I've been seeing everywhere deca once a week is ok. Test e I understand.

Yea you got that shit right down perfect man. I'm at about 2900 a day. I had a brief bulking month in November for 5 weeks and intake was around 3800 a day and I gained about 12 lbs. At 3500-4000 the gains will be huge

 

[WannaBeBIG]

So every 3.5 days would be better for both the test AND deca? I've been seeing everywhere deca once a week is ok. Test e I understand.

Yea you got that shit right down perfect man. I'm at about 2900 a day. I had a brief bulking month in November for 5 weeks and intake was around 3800 a day and I gained about 12 lbs. At 3500-4000 the gains will be huge

Since it’s worth splitting the test to twice weekly I’d just keep it simple and split the Deca too. Most Deca sides come from fluctuations in hormone levels so striving for stable levels is worth the extra pinning.

You sound like you have a handle on your nutrition so I’m confident that if you approach the drugs like the care you take with your food intake you will be successful.

Have you given some thought to PCT length consideration when it comes to Deca clearing your system?

 

[Misternips]

Since it’s worth splitting the test to twice weekly I’d just keep it simple and split the Deca too. Most Deca sides come from fluctuations in hormone levels so striving for stable levels is worth the extra pinning.

You sound like you have a handle on your nutrition so I’m confident that if you approach the drugs like the care you take with your food intake you will be successful.

Have you given some thought to PCT length consideration when it comes to Deca clearing your system?

Fair enough, just gonna be a little weird drawing 200 from 300 vials lol.

PCT will begin 3 weeks after last pin for 4 weeks clomid 100/100/50/50

 

[Misternips]

You may want some caber or proviron on hand, as well as tadalafil.

My current cycle (which has been perfect) below:


500 mg Test E
550 mg Deca
50 mg TBol ED (wk 1-4)
10 mg Tadalafil ED
0.25 mg Caber E3.5D
0.5 mg Anastrozole 3x/wk
50 mg Anadrol 3x / wk (Heavy Days (wk 16-20))
10 mg GW 50156 PWO

NAC - 1800 mg
TUDCA- 500 mg
Fish Oil - 4K

Is the caber necessary? I thought it was more for tren but I guess since they're both 19nor

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Fair enough, just gonna be a little weird drawing 200 from 300 vials lol.

PCT will begin 3 weeks after last pin for 4 weeks clomid 100/100/50/50

Check out steroidplotter in input your cycle. Should give you a good picture for when to start PCT. Half life is wavy with nandrolone but can be 6-12 days but accomodating for 12 day half-life is advisable. I'm going to need someone more knowledgeable about Deca PCT to comment because I can't remember if its worth waiting until it's almost completely clear of your system before PCT begins.

Week 12 Day 0: 400mg in your system
Day 12: 200mg
Day 24: 100mg
Day 36: 50mg
Day 48: 25mg
Day 60: 12.5mg

Is the caber necessary? I thought it was more for tren but I guess since they're both 19nor

Keep estrogen under control and you won't need caber but I'd pick some up just in case bloodwork mid-cycle shows elevated prolactin with E2 in range

 

[Juicy AF]

Is the caber necessary? I thought it was more for tren but I guess since they're both 19nor

Definitely grab some to have if you can.

I take 0.25 mg E3.5D with 500 Test / 550 Deca and it keeps the dick working nicely.

 

[MrGTO]

Fair enough, just gonna be a little weird drawing 200 from 300 vials lol.

PCT will begin 3 weeks after last pin for 4 weeks clomid 100/100/50/50

Draw .7 will put you at 210 e3d. Close enough.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

@Misternips when you're looking to figure out what volume to inject there is an easy formula that works every time. Dose required divided by total dose available multiplied by volume of vial.

200mg divided by 3000mg x 10ml =.66ml.

So @MrGTO is right, you might as well just draw 0.7ml

 

[Misternips]

Check out steroidplotter in input your cycle. Should give you a good picture for when to start PCT. Half life is wavy with nandrolone but can be 6-12 days but accomodating for 12 day half-life is advisable. I'm going to need someone more knowledgeable about Deca PCT to comment because I can't remember if its worth waiting until it's almost completely clear of your system before PCT begins.

Week 12 Day 0: 400mg in your system
Day 12: 200mg
Day 24: 100mg
Day 36: 50mg
Day 48: 25mg
Day 60: 12.5mg


Keep estrogen under control and you won't need caber but I'd pick some up just in case bloodwork mid-cycle shows elevated prolactin with E2 in range

From all the info I could gather on Deca pct it's best to start on the later end to maximize gains you can keep

 

[Misternips]

@WannaBeBIG another thing I've been reading is after I finish my cycle I should drop to a cruise dose of test for a couple of weeks so I don't tank my test so bad before starting PCT. Thoughts on this?

 

[WannaBeBIG]

@WannaBeBIG another thing I've been reading is after I finish my cycle I should drop to a cruise dose of test for a couple of weeks so I don't tank my test so bad before starting PCT. Thoughts on this?

It would lessen the shock to the system to lower your test dose and run it a little while longer while the deca clears your system. I would play around with steroidplotter to get a better picture but running like 200mg for a couple extra weeks might not be a bad idea.

Remember though that proper diet and exercise post cycle is really the key to maintaining muscle. Lots of people come off and kind of stop training as well and their results show that post cycle

 

[Misternips]

It would lessen the shock to the system to lower your test dose and run it a little while longer while the deca clears your system. I would play around with steroidplotter to get a better picture but running like 200mg for a couple extra weeks might not be a bad idea.

Remember though that proper diet and exercise post cycle is really the key to maintaining muscle. Lots of people come off and kind of stop training as well and their results show that post cycle

Thanks a lot man. Thanks to the rest of you guys up there as well. Anyone can PM me a domestic source for caber? PPL has from Turkish pharma but I'd rather not drop another 50 on shipping for some tabs and wait an additional 3-4 weeks for it