hematocrit

[bubblebuddy]

so I recently watched a video with a Dr (name escapes me) who is of the opinion blood draws aren't necessary when hematocrit is elevated due to trt. the theory is, people who live in the mountains have more rbc because they need to move more oxygen but they don't get blood draws or, a person copd develops more rbc because the body needs to become more efficient at moving oxygen. if you drain them they can't breath. his entire argument is elevated hematocrit due to trt or androgens is nothing more than elevated rbc vs polycythemia <<spelling? which is a platlet disorder. hoping someine can share their knowledge. i find this interesting. I can link the video if this is allowed.

 

[Robfromga]

so I recently watched a video with a Dr (name escapes me) who is of the opinion blood draws aren't necessary when hematocrit is elevated due to trt. the theory is, people who live in the mountains have more rbc because they need to move more oxygen but they don't get blood draws or, a person copd develops more rbc because the body needs to become more efficient at moving oxygen. if you drain them they can't breath. his entire argument is elevated hematocrit due to trt or androgens is nothing more than elevated rbc vs polycythemia <<spelling? which is a platlet disorder. hoping someine can share their knowledge. i find this interesting. I can link the video if this is allowed.

My TRT doc says the same thing .
I argue it's a natural occurrence for people living at altitude as their bodies are adapting to function at high altitude. And if those same people go-to sea level, their RBC levels drop. Natty people at say 1100tt don't have high RBC .

I'd get used to giving blood. I think to a certain extent the docs find some excuse to keep you coming back, it's their dang business. If what they're giving you has the potential to harm you, you wouldn't do it , or at least think twice .

 

[bubblebuddy]

I agree for the most part but I think a lot of them are just uneducated on the matter.... in any case, I don't mind giving blood really...

 

[bubblebuddy]

my concern is the 6 month blood test. my hematocrit is at 50.8 on a dose of 150 mg a week.... now, I've not started my cycle so I don't have bloods to know for sure but, I'm assuming 500 mgs of test and 325 mgs of deca is really gonna spike hematocrit. so my timing has to be on point between cycle end and trt bloods.

 

[boost creep]

Interesting but I will keep giving blood. My father had a stroke about 5 years ago its some serious shit.

 

[The Terminator]

my concern is the 6 month blood test. my hematocrit is at 50.8 on a dose of 150 mg a week.... now, I've not started my cycle so I don't have bloods to know for sure but, I'm assuming 500 mgs of test and 325 mgs of deca is really gonna spike hematocrit. so my timing has to be on point between cycle end and trt bloods.

Were you hydrated when you were tested?

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

I've never given blood and my crit is at 54. After I finish this tren cycle I'll probably just take a few months break to let it naturally come down alittle

 

[bubblebuddy]

Were you hydrated when you were tested?

not as well as I should have been. I know that can affect the numbers however, I didn't realize at the time.

 

[bubblebuddy]

Interesting but I will keep giving blood. My father had a stroke about 5 years ago its some serious shit.

with a history like that, if also keep giving blood.

 

[Dr JIM]

I agree for the most part but I think a lot of them are just uneducated on the matter.... in any case, I don't mind giving blood really...

If you want to give blood then great but unless TRT results in the development of symptomatic
erythrocytosis, that exceed normal lab reference ranges, donation is an elective
issue w few exceptions.

Folk should also remember AAS are anything but CV friendly.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

my concern is the 6 month blood test. my hematocrit is at 50.8 on a dose of 150 mg a week.... now, I've not started my cycle so I don't have bloods to know for sure but, I'm assuming 500 mgs of test and 325 mgs of deca is really gonna spike hematocrit. so my timing has to be on point between cycle end and trt bloods.

A history of “blasting and cruising” is almost always the cause of symptomatic erythrocytosis rather than physician prescribed TRT.

An elevated H&H in addition to cardiac dysfunction may well explain the reduced aerobic capacity noted in MANY B.B, and why blood letting may improve their symptoms.

When in doubt modify that causal factor which is most amenable to correction, which in this case is the anabolic dosage.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

If what they're giving you has the potential to harm you, you wouldn't do it , or at least think twice .

The TRT physicians I know, prescribe test to improve a patients quality of life, which must be weighed against the potential risks. Yet NONE submit to this PED led notion of routine
blood letting.

Physicians harming patients, spare me, as a read Meso’s pages
I know who is harming who, and it’s damn sure not doctors.

It’s comments like yours that contributed to AAS being listed as scheduled substances, since no doc is willing
to risk their license for post teen experimentation or get sued once that experiment fails

 

[hurricane]

The TRT physicians I know, prescribe test to improve a patients quality of life, which must be weighed against the potential risks. Yet NONE submit to this PED led notion of routine
blood letting.

Physicians harming patients, spare me, as a read Meso’s pages
I know who is harming who, and it’s damn sure not doctors.

It’s comments like yours that contributed to AAS being listed as scheduled substances, since no doc is willing
to risk their license for post teen experimentation or get sued once that experiment fails

I would have to agree. I don't know about trt because I've never been prescribed it. I also don't know trt docs.
But I do see some pretty educated docs who all agree hematocrit should be a major concern for those who cycle.
Maybe they're wrong. But I agree with them and trust their advice. High hematocrit shouldn't be taken lightly.
But just my opinion.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

I would have to agree. I don't know about trt because I've never been prescribed it. I also don't know trt docs.
But I do see some pretty educated docs who all agree hematocrit should be a major concern for those who cycle.
Maybe they're wrong. But I agree with them and trust their advice. High hematocrit shouldn't be taken lightly.
But just my opinion.

Did you have high hematocrit when you had your stroke?

 

[hurricane]

Did you have high hematocrit when you had your stroke?

I actually didn't. But I was also off gear.
My hematocrit was high when I had my pulmonary embolism though. And I was on gear for that experience(not fun).

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Anyone know what kind of effect alcohol has on hematocrit? Like days following binge drinking ?

 

[roastdawg]

Anyone know what kind of effect alcohol has on hematocrit? Like days following binge drinking ?

Can definitely dehydrate you which would cause your levels to be higher.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

If you want to give blood then great but unless TRT results in the development of symptomatic
erythrocytosis, that exceed normal lab reference ranges, donation is an elective
issue w few exceptions.

Folk should also remember AAS are anything but CV friendly.

Jim

Let me ask you. In your opinion, what number or range would you consider to be "the danger zone" for hemoglobin?

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

There's a guy on proM who has 60 hct, 6 +rbc, and 20+ hemoglobin for years. Runs deca year around also. Pretty crazy to do that I think

 

[Throwback]

I've never given blood and my crit is at 54. After I finish this tren cycle I'll probably just take a few months break to let it naturally come down alittle

You need to donate now...imagine a pump working to pump cold maple syrup...then the ease it pumps it when its warm.
54 hct is problem zone thickness...then add in elevated cholesterol from tren use and you have the potential for a huge problem.