Hemocrit/ Hemoglobin! Keep an eye on ‘em!

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Read up guys. Easy to forget to pay attention to your blood viscosity!

PLEASE READ! IMPORTANT!

“Erythrocytosis is clinically diagnosed when the Hgb level is greater than 18.5g/dl and the Hct level is greater than 52%. When Hct levels rises above 52% the red blood cell volume of blood increases, leading to an increase in blood viscosity, reducing venous return and increase platelet adhesiveness. These blood conditions can lead to blood clot formation, stroke, cardiovascular risk and ischemia”

 
Just went to give double reds today, HGB came in over 20, DQd from double reds, tech was cool enough to take another reading to get me to 20 so I could at least donate whole blood. Never ran this high before. Going forward, I’ll donate whenever I’m eligible.
 
Next time drink water before going to donate, increases your blood volume so you get a lower reading.
Myth or fact that low dose aspirin keeps blood viscosity down? Heard both sides of the coin claim they are right….of course, lol
 
I think asprin prevents your platelets from aggregating but doesn't change your blood volume or viscosity.
 
I think it's mostly genetics, when I was blasting and even when on high testosterone + equipoise + anadrol, I never had any issues and my hematocrit and hemoglobin always stayed within normal range. On the other hand some guys on trt already have borderline high levels.
 
I think it's mostly genetics, when I was blasting and even when on high testosterone + equipoise + anadrol, I never had any issues and my hematocrit and hemoglobin always stayed within normal range. On the other hand some guys on trt already have borderline high levels.
This is why I think all trt/hrt guys should get their HFE(hereditary hemochromatosis) tested.

If you don't carry homozygous expressions of H63D(+/-) or C28Y(+/-), then there's not much chance of you breaking past 55% hct.

Problem is 10% of white guys carry one or both of these genes that don't express until exogenous T or other anabolics are introduced.

If I was practicing medicine and prescribing T for guys or just keeping them healthy while using anabolics, the HFE gene is what I would use for screening or anyone that had an elevated hgb/hct. It's just that I don't think doctors do this very often which seems bizarre to me because it's the first step in knowing whether your a candidate for replacement or if you can safely use steroids, or if we need to put you on an aggressive phlebotomy to keep you on because you have no other choice.

I've never been tested for HFE, I need to get tested because my hct has been up to 70%. It now hovers around 55%, but I perform my own therapeutic phlebotomy and I remove a lot of blood up to 1.4 liters at a time of whole blood and I don't use supplements with iron. My iron stores Ferritin are low and that keeps the potential for extreme elevation under control which can happen in as little as 6 weeks when stacking compounds if you have the iron available.
 
Next time drink water before going to donate, increases your blood volume so you get a lower reading.
I typically get in 4-6 liters prior to labs, completely skipped my mind this time. Donated yesterday, go in for return CBC tomorrow, will drink at least 4 liters prior. Then my sodium comes in low and I get shit about that as well.
 
This is why I think all trt/hrt guys should get their HFE(hereditary hemochromatosis) tested.

If you don't carry homozygous expressions of H63D(+/-) or C28Y(+/-), then there's not much chance of you breaking past 55% hct.

Problem is 10% of white guys carry one or both of these genes that don't express until exogenous T or other anabolics are introduced.

If I was practicing medicine and prescribing T for guys or just keeping them healthy while using anabolics, the HFE gene is what I would use for screening or anyone that had an elevated hgb/hct. It's just that I don't think doctors do this very often which seems bizarre to me because it's the first step in knowing whether your a candidate for replacement or if you can safely use steroids, or if we need to put you on an aggressive phlebotomy to keep you on because you have no other choice.

I've never been tested for HFE, I need to get tested because my hct has been up to 70%. It now hovers around 55%, but I perform my own therapeutic phlebotomy and I remove a lot of blood up to 1.4 liters at a time of whole blood and I don't use supplements with iron. My iron stores Ferritin are low and that keeps the potential for extreme elevation under control which can happen in as little as 6 weeks when stacking compounds if you have the iron available.
I’m going to a hematologist at the behest of my endo. I’ll make sure this test is run, thank you.
 
The coagulation of blood, even if you have high hct could be reduced I think if one was to use things with known anticoagulant properties.

High quality fish oil is the first thing I think of when it comes to reducing blood clotting. It's one of the reasons I use 3 grams split into 2 doses morning and night.

Also don't sit on your butt all day, keep moving, especially cardio.
 
I’m going to a hematologist at the behest of my endo. I’ll make sure this test is run, thank you.
Check pricing first and make sure you get the H63D, something they don't often order, but a gene that seems to cause a lot of problems with white body builders.
 
Check pricing first and make sure you get the H63D, something they don't often order, but a gene that seems to cause a lot of problems with white body builders.
Even a hemotologist, which I’m seeing specifically for this problem, may not order that test? I mean, I’m not all that surprised, I don’t have a lot of faith in most DRs. My endo said exercise and liver values are neither correlative nor causal.
 
This is why I think all trt/hrt guys should get their HFE(hereditary hemochromatosis) tested.

If you don't carry homozygous expressions of H63D(+/-) or C28Y(+/-), then there's not much chance of you breaking past 55% hct.

Problem is 10% of white guys carry one or both of these genes that don't express until exogenous T or other anabolics are introduced.

If I was practicing medicine and prescribing T for guys or just keeping them healthy while using anabolics, the HFE gene is what I would use for screening or anyone that had an elevated hgb/hct. It's just that I don't think doctors do this very often which seems bizarre to me because it's the first step in knowing whether your a candidate for replacement or if you can safely use steroids, or if we need to put you on an aggressive phlebotomy to keep you on because you have no other choice.

I've never been tested for HFE, I need to get tested because my hct has been up to 70%. It now hovers around 55%, but I perform my own therapeutic phlebotomy and I remove a lot of blood up to 1.4 liters at a time of whole blood and I don't use supplements with iron. My iron stores Ferritin are low and that keeps the potential for extreme elevation under control which can happen in as little as 6 weeks when stacking compounds if you have the iron available.
i was tested for those expressions when my extended routine was done due to my cardiomyophathy.
Even with both negative, last blood test i got a HB of 20.1 and a HCT of 59.
The thing is, 3 weeks prior to that at my family doc my values where 17.9 and 56.8. At the day of my last blood test, i was severely dehydrated (had to drive 2 hours because it was at an hospital where my heart routine check up is done and after the drive i had to wait for another 3 hours until the bloodwork, almost no liquids and no food).
So i would suggest before giving blood, make sure your values are valid. Giving blood too often is not the solution because you empty iron/ferritine and the more often you give blood, the faster your body rebounds
 
i was tested for those expressions when my extended routine was done due to my cardiomyophathy.
Even with both negative, last blood test i got a HB of 20.1 and a HCT of 59.
The thing is, 3 weeks prior to that at my family doc my values where 17.9 and 56.8. At the day of my last blood test, i was severely dehydrated (had to drive 2 hours because it was at an hospital where my heart routine check up is done and after the drive i had to wait for another 3 hours until the bloodwork, almost no liquids and no food).
So i would suggest before giving blood, make sure your values are valid. Giving blood too often is not the solution because you empty iron/ferritine and the more often you give blood, the faster your body rebounds
It's a complex issue.

What doses and compounds were you using when it was almost 60% hct.

I find if I have a high hct I have no choice but to draw off blood. You probably won't walk around with a 65% hct and feel good. You can feel it after you draw off the blood the release of pressure, it's very relaxing.

The iron issue is one where reference ranges are set for a normal population(normal studies). Those ranges mean very little to someone using steroids because of the increase iron absorption. If you use steroids and you take in iron from your diet you will absorb more, but you can quickly dump iron by phlebotomy.

The bottom line is pay attention to your red cell indices, look at the mcv, rdw, mchc, mch and order a manual differential to spot microcytosis which is the result of low iron or b12 for a long period as the body produces red cells without having the iron needed to make normal full size red cells. Most guys will if they are donating blood end up with lower iron stores, this is the way the body balances something out when it becomes dangerously high.

Iron is toxic when values are too high, the male body has no natural way of getting rid of high iron, increasing iron absorption isn't a good idea.

Of course this is a balancing act, not something that is perfect.

T/DHT/E2 ---hepcidin decrease, epo increase, stem cells in bone marrow, scarring of bone when excess cells pass through bones into peripheral circulation. It's an extremely complex feedback loop, the body does what it can to balance out, but in this case the steroids throw it out of whack so you have no choice at all, but to either drop the dose, stop taking steroids, decrease iron intake, remove blood through phlebotomy.

Eventually through a few years of phlebotomy and sane dosing that the body can contend with your should notice your hct rising slower and longer periods before needing to remove blood. If not then you need to microdose and forget the blast lifestyle.

Regardless if your hct is high, you need to get rid of blood and figure out how you're gonna prevent the problem in the future, which usually involves conservative dosing....using a lot less than you think you need.
 
I was just on TRT dosage of Test Cyp (20mg daily).
Im currently trying to bring it down by changing my TRT regime.
Ive dropped test to 6-8mg daily and added Trest at 3-5mg daily. According to research, Trest does not influence HCT/HB as much as Test. Lets see in some weeks :D
I think in my case, my heart condition (with times of some hypoxia but nothing critical, 93-94% SPO2) leads to an increase in RBC/HB/HCT.

my other hematology blood markers where all fine or even at the lower range (RDW and esp paletts).
 
I was just on TRT dosage of Test Cyp (20mg daily).
Im currently trying to bring it down by changing my TRT regime.
Ive dropped test to 6-8mg daily and added Trest at 3-5mg daily. According to research, Trest does not influence HCT/HB as much as Test. Lets see in some weeks :D
I think in my case, my heart condition (with times of some hypoxia but nothing critical, 93-94% SPO2) leads to an increase in RBC/HB/HCT.

my other hematology blood markers where all fine or even at the lower range (RDW and esp paletts).
Was the heart condition causing elevated hgb/hct before you started using T?

It can take a few years before the trt regimen is dialed in so don't give up on it, it's just that you might have to do things that many don't have to. You're one of the unlucky ones like myself that have elevated hct.

I used to have to draw off blood ever 6 weeks, then it was 3 months, 4 months, and now I'm at 7 months and my hct is 55%, so this is slowly working itself out. I've always had a hgb/hct right at the upper limits at 18g/49%.

My dad has the same exact problem I've got, give him some T and his hct shoots through the roof, he's had several phlebotomies and eventually switched over to cream, but I haven't checked in with him how that's going. I suspect his low T caused his diabetes, so I'll take high hct over diabetes any day.
 
Ive dropped test to 6-8mg daily and added Trest at 3-5mg daily. According to research, Trest does not influence HCT/HB as much as Test. Lets see in some weeks :D
I think in my case, my heart condition (with times of some hypoxia but nothing critical, 93-94% SPO2) leads to an increase in RBC/HB/HCT.

my other hematology blood markers where all fine or even at the lower range (RDW and esp paletts).
Trest(MENT) is something that I've seen guys go on and call it quits after a few months.

From what I've seen blood pressure increase, headaches.

Damn if it isn't the most expensive raw on the market at $55/gr.

Report back to us and see how long you can stay on a microdose of Trest without seeing blood pressure problems.
 
Trest(MENT) is something that I've seen guys go on and call it quits after a few months.

From what I've seen blood pressure increase, headaches.

Damn if it isn't the most expensive raw on the market at $55/gr.

Report back to us and see how long you can stay on a microdose of Trest without seeing blood pressure problems.
hey bro.
Due to my Cardiomyopathy and the medication my Blood pressure is a problem - but not that it is too high but the opposite.
All my medication (Diuretics, ARNI, Betablocker) have their task in my medication plan but one "side effect" of each and everyone is that they lower blood pressure.
Especially for Entresto (the ARNI) i am still miles away from my target dosage but this stuff is so strong at lowering BP that it simple does not work for me to get there (i should take 2x 97 mg/103 mg daily and right now, i am at 1/2 49 mg/51mg morning and 1/2 evening.. so 1/4 of my target)
so my BP always hovers around 105-110/60-67
So a bit of BP increase wouldnt be so bad.
WhaT Trest definitely does is increase intramascular waterretention (and water retention in general). Since using it i am a good 5 pounds heavier, even at the micro dosages i am taking.
What it also does compared to test is that it is much healther in the prostate. I dont even need PSA blood work to tell this since i dont have to pee every 30mins anymore and my pee volume is increased
 
These are quite handy (ebay) and I've tested myself in the car outside Quest many times, and this handheld reads typically 1 point higher than the lab.
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Do you use controls with that meter high/low.

I'm always concerned about capillary testing only because you gotta make sure that drop of blood doesn't have exudate or fluid mixed with the whole blood. If it's accurate I'll buy one myself and all of us should pick up one as it would be an excellent tool to keep track as your hgb rises to the point you need to therapeutic phlebotomy.

Does it use a strip that you fill from your finger and then slide into the machine?
 

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