DHT benefits

[Peterson]

im on 5x the recommended dose of dutasteride and I wake up with morning wood every day.

You dont realize that you need to be on a 5-ar inhibitor after a transplant, yet you are giving advice, speaking in absolutes and being sensationalist, describing a medication as poison

we are steroid users here, we should have a better understanding of how hormones and the endocrine system work than all the weridos on the internet with low testosterone worried about their libido when they dont even have sex regularly

Lol I know more than enough about 5ari's. Nothing what I say is "sensationalist".

And yes you will probably need multiple transplants if you don't take a 5ari.

If you really want to know what finasteride does I recommend reading this site:

Welcome

Emerging evidence & commentary on adverse effects of finasteride and dutasteride as treatments for hair loss.

finasterideinfo.org

 

[Ghoul]

Lol I know more than enough about 5ari's. Nothing what I say is "sensationalist".

And yes you will probably need multiple transplants if you don't take a 5ari.

If you really want to know what finasteride does I recommend reading this site:

Welcome

Emerging evidence & commentary on adverse effects of finasteride and dutasteride as treatments for hair loss.

finasterideinfo.org

If you don't get over your baseless fear of 5-ARs no amount of transplants will save you.

Do you think there are an unlimited amount of donor hairs? WTF do you think happens to the non-transplanted hairs the transplanted hairs are implanted in between? No reputable transplant surgeon will perform the surgery without the patient understanding 5-ARs are a must,

A transplant uses a tiny amount of hairs to create the illusion of hairline. AT BEST, 8-10K hairs trying to replace 75k lost. Typically far less available for transplant.

Mental cases terrified of 5-ARs spreading their toxic message that will cause so much unnecessary suffering.

A transplant is desperation, the last hope when the real impact of hair loss on quality of life sinks in. At that point men agree to try a 5-AR because they must, and when nothing terrible happens, it sinks in this could have all been avoided and their hair, better than anything a transplant can replicate, could've been preserved by taking the same damn pill they're ultimately having to take. What a nightmare. So much regret at that point.

You don't wait until your teeth fall out to start brushing. Unless you fall for the anti-fluoride fear mongers, who sound just like these this anti 5-AR jihadists

 

[Liter O' Test]

Lol I know more than enough about 5ari's. Nothing what I say is "sensationalist".

And yes you will probably need multiple transplants if you don't take a 5ari.

If you really want to know what finasteride does I recommend reading this site:

Welcome

Emerging evidence & commentary on adverse effects of finasteride and dutasteride as treatments for hair loss.

finasterideinfo.org

if you really want to know about DHT and 5AR inhibitors check this guys channel out
here is just an example of the quality of content he makes


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4QyuPiyWY

 

[Peterson]

if you really want to know about DHT and 5AR inhibitors check this guys channel out
here is just an example of the quality of content he makes


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4QyuPiyWY

Lol Kevin Mann is a liar and has zero medical background, he's been debunked countless times.

 

[Peterson]

If you don't get over your baseless fear of 5-ARs no amount of transplants will save you.

Do you think there are an unlimited amount of donor hairs? WTF do you think happens to the non-transplanted hairs the transplanted hairs are implanted in between? No reputable transplant surgeon will perform the surgery without the patient understanding 5-ARs are a must,

A transplant uses a tiny amount of hairs to create the illusion of hairline. AT BEST, 8-10K hairs trying to replace 75k lost. Typically far less available for transplant.

Mental cases terrified of 5-ARs spreading their toxic message that will cause so much unnecessary suffering.

A transplant is desperation, the last hope when the real impact of hair loss on quality of life sinks in. At that point men agree to try a 5-AR because they must, and when nothing terrible happens, it sinks in this could have all been avoided and their hair, better than anything a transplant can replicate, could've been preserved by taking the same damn pill they're ultimately having to take. What a nightmare. So much regret at that point.

You don't wait until your teeth fall out to start brushing. Unless you fall for the anti-fluoride fear mongers, who sound just like these this anti 5-AR jihadists

Yes most men do have enough donor hair unless you're diffusing. And I know multiple guys irl who did transplatns.

And jesus what's up with these finasteride users that get mental when confronted with reality that the pills they take aren't safe.

Think about it rationally for one second. You're literally blocking the most androgenic hormone + multiple neurosteroids for years and you actually believe it will only impact the state of your hair? Stop coping.

Did you know finasteride also get new side effects updates? Couple of years ago for Hematospermia.

Also a reason why more doctors are refusing the prescribe it anymore;

Urology professor Dr. Ted Schaeffer on Attia Drive: Post-finasteride syndrome is real, drug-related and can be permanent

Dr. Schaeffer, Chair of Urology at Feinberg School of Medicine, does not recommend finasteride for any man. The prostate cancer expert says he knows people who have post-finasteride syndrome “permanently.” Dr. Edward Schaeffer recently spoke about post-finasteride syndrome on The Peter Attia Driv

finasterideinfo.org

professor Dr. Schaeffer, Chair of Urology at Feinberg School of Medicine;

"There’s significant pathology associated with taking finasteride." "There are people that I know who have [post-finasteride syndrome] permanently…","I don’t recommend it for use in any man."



Anyway I know balding guys are desperate for an easy solution and delude themselves finasteride is some magical pill without side effects, sadly it's far from safe. But most will have to learn the hard way.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Lol Kevin Mann is a liar and has zero medical background, he's been debunked countless times.

"debunked"
well i can "debunk" your post right now because its from 10 years ago, and since I have common sense and critical thinking ability, clearly he has changed his mind sometime in the past, i dont know, 2,000 days?

are we allowed to change our minds or do we just buckle down and put our fingers in our ears and ignore new information.

( this is what you anti 5-ar people do)

I actually trust people who change their mind MORE than people who don't because they are more intellectually honest and open minded. For example @Ghoul has a similar experience and reversed his opinion on finasteride, I used to make posts on steroid forums 10 years ago about how testosterone was an overrated muscle builder. LOL

also the guy you linked as some sort of expert seems like a grifter, all these links to sell things just in his youtube description, really doesn't help his credability. Ive never seen someone try to shill so many courses, honestly looks embarassing and he seems to make his money by pretending to be an expert to sell courses

 

[Liter O' Test]

Yes most men do have enough donor hair unless you're diffusing. And I know multiple guys irl who did transplatns.

And jesus what's up with these finasteride users that get mental when confronted with reality that the pills they take aren't safe.

Think about it rationally for one second. You're literally blocking the most androgenic hormone + multiple neurosteroids for years and you actually believe it will only impact the state of your hair? Stop coping.

Did you know finasteride also get new side effects updates? Couple of years ago for Hematospermia.

Also a reason why more doctors are refusing the prescribe it anymore;

Urology professor Dr. Ted Schaeffer on Attia Drive: Post-finasteride syndrome is real, drug-related and can be permanent

Dr. Schaeffer, Chair of Urology at Feinberg School of Medicine, does not recommend finasteride for any man. The prostate cancer expert says he knows people who have post-finasteride syndrome “permanently.” Dr. Edward Schaeffer recently spoke about post-finasteride syndrome on The Peter Attia Driv

finasterideinfo.org

professor Dr. Schaeffer, Chair of Urology at Feinberg School of Medicine;

"There’s significant pathology associated with taking finasteride." "There are people that I know who have [post-finasteride syndrome] permanently…","I don’t recommend it for use in any man."



Anyway I know balding guys are desperate for an easy solution and delude themselves finasteride is some magical pill without side effects, sadly it's far from safe. But most will have to learn

i think you fit the archetype of the guy me and @Ghoul speak about.

You came to this forum years ago specifically posting about PFS, with no bloodwork and despite apparently having PFS so severe, you STILL dont take steroids years later to fix an endocrine issue because youre too scared and instead take HCG.

How do you invest so much time "researching" DHT and the endocrine system, PFS etc yet still don't even take TRT to recover your libido?

Im not digging through your post history anymore but did you ever end up getting bloodwork?

 

[explodingHeart]

Dudes and their hair and clothes are worse than little girls these days. A generation of sissys that just like to post pictures of their fake ass little lives on social media. Everybody's ego supercedes logic. That's why they take Fina and duta. They don't need their dick when posting pictures online of their hair.

I've been on Duta since I was 29. I'm 40 now. I still jerk off 1-3x a day depending how much time I have.

Is that a strong enough of a sex drive? Or should it be higher?

 

[Peterson]

"debunked"
well i can "debunk" your post right now because its from 10 years ago, and since I have common sense and critical thinking ability, clearly he has changed his mind sometime in the past, i dont know, 2,000 days?

are we allowed to change our minds or do we just buckle down and put our fingers in our ears and ignore new information.

( this is what you anti 5-ar people do)

I actually trust people who change their mind MORE than people who don't because they are more intellectually honest and open minded. For example @Ghoul has a similar experience and reversed his opinion on finasteride, I used to make posts on steroid forums 10 years ago about how testosterone was an overrated muscle builder. LOL

also the guy you linked as some sort of expert seems like a grifter, all these links to sell things just in his youtube description, really doesn't help his credability. Ive never seen someone try to shill so many courses, honestly looks embarassing and he seems to make his money by pretending to be an expert to sell courses

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The absolute irony, I can post many other videos debunking his garbage claims.

Kevin Mann is the ultimate grifter youtube channel. misinterpreting data, lying and ignoring medical facts. All this to lure in a desperate, ignorant public of balding men.

Go to any endocrinolgist and repeat the idiot's claim that "DHT is a trash hormone", you will be laughed at in your face.

Again, it's insane how hard you balding guys are coping and deluding yourselves that finasteride is a miracle drug without sides. I can post a sh*t ton of studies dismantling all the cope but it doesn't matter, cognitive dissonance is too high when you take these pills and are emotionally invested in them. Like I said, most will have to learn the hard way

 

[trtbuilder]

The absolute irony, I can post many other videos debunking his garbage claims.

Kevin Mann is the ultimate grifter youtube channel. misinterpreting data, lying and ignoring medical facts. All this to lure in a desperate, ignorant public of balding men.

Go to any endocrinolgist and repeat the idiot's claim that "DHT is a trash hormone", you will be laughed at in your face.

Again, it's insane how hard you balding guys are coping and deluding yourselves that finasteride is a miracle drug without sides. I can post a sh*t ton of studies dismantling all the cope but it doesn't matter, cognitive dissonance is too high when you take these pills and are emotionally invested in them. Like I said, most will have to learn the hard way

Keep ranting nutjob.

 

[explodingHeart]

You don't wait until your teeth fall out to start brushing. Unless you fall for the anti-fluoride fear mongers, who sound just like these this anti 5-AR jihadists

A lot of overlap between anti-statin, anti-seed oil, carnivore diet guys and DHT guys.

One thing is for certain, they're all most likely bald and look like shit. Trying to drag other men down to their disgusting balding level.

BPH awaits once they hit middle age.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Don't you have a career, or someone to fuck? If you need porn to get yourself off at 40, that's nothing to be proud of dude. Hows your performance with an actual human? If you've been jerking off to porn this much your entire life. Your dopamine system is fried brother and duta is the least of your worries.

Dudes and their hair and clothes are worse than little girls these days. A generation of sissys that just like to post pictures of their fake ass little lives on social media. Everybody's ego supercedes logic. That's why they take Fina and duta. They don't need their dick when posting pictures online of their hair.

blood tests are the only way to know how prop affects YOU. If i use straight prop, I'm falling asleep by 4pm. MY body and low shbg has prop completely out of me by 4-5 pm.

No it's not all in my head after decades of injecting hormones dude. One size DOES NOT FIT ALL with trt. Learn to brew and experiment instead of ASSUMING my body's the same as yours.

It truly does baffle me how some guys claim all esters feel the same. When it's like night and day to me from short esters to long. I got.plenty of blood work thru the years showing prop raises my DHT Aboit 30% higher than cyp/e. Thay right there is the reason why MY body likes prop. blood tests disagree its 'all in your head'

There arnt many men on this forum. Lol. Be careful what you wish for! He's probably IN that dress right now lol

You make a lot of very bold claims with zero evidence and you look like an untrained person. You have less muscle than the average guy holds onto normally from a diet of pizza and beer.

 

[Peterson]

Keep ranting nutjob.

Amazing how baldies are so emotionally invested and get mad when confronted with facts, but keep taking your pills, you'll learn.

Meanwhile in France:

"ANSM, the Gallic nation’s drug-regulatory authority (DRA), last week unveiled plans to add a so-called “red-box” warning—that includes a QR code—on all finasteride 1 mg products in 2023.

Intended to “reinforce information on adverse effects” of Propecia and generics, the warning reads:


This medication can cause side effects, including psychiatric and/or sexual disorders. To find out more about these effects and report them, consult the leaflet, and scan this QR code."

Adverse Event Reporting in Clinical Trials of Finasteride for Androgenic Alopecia: A Meta-analysis.

CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:

Available toxicity information from clinical trials of finasteride in men with AGA is very limited, is of poor quality, and seems to be systematically biased. In a cohort of men prescribed finasteride for routine treatment of AGA, most would have been excluded from the pivotal studies that supported US Food and Drug Administration approval for AGA. Published reports of clinical trials provide insufficient information to establish the safety profile for finasteride in the treatment of AGA.

The Dark Side of 5α-Reductase Inhibitors' Therapy: Sexual Dysfunction, High Gleason Grade Prostate Cancer and Depression - PMC

With aging, abnormal benign growth of the prostate results in benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) with concomitant lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS). Because the prostate is an androgen target tissue, and transforms testosterone into ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fina is so safe, worldwide doctors are refusing to prescribe it anymore for hairloss. I can post a ton of studies but I know you guys are too invested in your pills so it doesn't matter. Anyway keep coping I'm sure fina is a magical pills with no side effects at all besides saving a couple of hairs on your head.

And about Kevin, check this: https://archive.ph/84TDB

LMAO if you take this guy serious in any matter you're beyond hopeless.

Another guy destroying Kevin's cope channel with an actual medical background and who is becoming a doctor:



Anyway good luck coping.

 

[explodingHeart]

You don't believe any of that shit you write. You're just looking for validation for your choice to go bald.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Amazing how baldies are so emotionally invested and get mad when confronted with facts, but keep taking your pills, you'll learn.

Meanwhile in France:

"ANSM, the Gallic nation’s drug-regulatory authority (DRA), last week unveiled plans to add a so-called “red-box” warning—that includes a QR code—on all finasteride 1 mg products in 2023.

Intended to “reinforce information on adverse effects” of Propecia and generics, the warning reads:


This medication can cause side effects, including psychiatric and/or sexual disorders. To find out more about these effects and report them, consult the leaflet, and scan this QR code."

Adverse Event Reporting in Clinical Trials of Finasteride for Androgenic Alopecia: A Meta-analysis.

CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:

Available toxicity information from clinical trials of finasteride in men with AGA is very limited, is of poor quality, and seems to be systematically biased. In a cohort of men prescribed finasteride for routine treatment of AGA, most would have been excluded from the pivotal studies that supported US Food and Drug Administration approval for AGA. Published reports of clinical trials provide insufficient information to establish the safety profile for finasteride in the treatment of AGA.

The Dark Side of 5α-Reductase Inhibitors' Therapy: Sexual Dysfunction, High Gleason Grade Prostate Cancer and Depression - PMC

With aging, abnormal benign growth of the prostate results in benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) with concomitant lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS). Because the prostate is an androgen target tissue, and transforms testosterone into ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fina is so safe, worldwide doctors are refusing to prescribe it anymore for hairloss. I can post a ton of studies but I know you guys are too invested in your pills so it doesn't matter. Anyway keep coping I'm sure fina is a magical pills with no side effects at all besides saving a couple of hairs on your head.

And about Kevin, check this: https://archive.ph/84TDB

LMAO if you take this guy serious in any matter you're beyond hopeless.

Another guy destroying Kevin's cope channel with an actual medical background and who is becoming a doctor:



Anyway good luck coping.

That archive link does not help your case and continues to make your group of anti-5ar inhibitor people look absolutely nuts.

I am SHOCKED every time when you people try to defend yourself, so delusional, as you continue to dig yourself in a deeper and deeper hole. Without fail it is always even worse than it appears on the surface and its some of the craziest s*** i see on the internet, honestly if i didn't know better, I would think people were false-flagging, pretending to be anti-finasteride nutjobs, to discredit your group.

When you referred to the "hair cafe" channel by the creators first and last name, I knew it was personal, maybe you were just mad and disagreed with him over the years, but i could never have imagined how personal this was for you, using posts from literally 2009, almost TWENTY YEARS ago in an attempt discredit this guy, using any angle you can to disparage him personally. Calling him racist, anti-semetic, showing posts from ebaumsworld and bodybuilding.com forums from before smartphones even existed.

How does this change the research he shows on finasteride, how can you not see that this is just personal attacks on this guy? Why do you think this helps your case?

The lack of self-awareness is astounding, I don't need to deep dive into medical studies or get doctors opinions, the fact that everyone of you guys with PFS seem to be on an unhinged personal campaign against people that take a medication is proof enough, always just a few posts away from completely unloading some deep resentment over something I don't understand.

Time and time again you guys show that the anti finasteride people are a group of people in an echo chamber that need psychiatric medication.

@Ghoul

 

[Peterson]

That archive link does not help your case and continues to make your group of anti-5ar inhibitor people look absolutely nuts.

I am SHOCKED every time when you people try to defend yourself, so delusional, as you continue to dig yourself in a deeper and deeper hole. Without fail it is always even worse than it appears on the surface and its some of the craziest s*** i see on the internet, honestly if i didn't know better, I would think people were false-flagging, pretending to be anti-finasteride nutjobs, to discredit your group.

When you referred to the "hair cafe" channel by the creators first and last name, I knew it was personal, maybe you were just mad and disagreed with him over the years, but i could never have imagined how personal this was for you, using posts from literally 2009, almost TWENTY YEARS ago in an attempt discredit this guy, using any angle you can to disparage him personally. Calling him racist, anti-semetic, showing posts from ebaumsworld and bodybuilding.com forums from before smartphones even existed.

How does this change the research he shows on finasteride, how can you not see that this is just personal attacks on this guy? Why do you think this helps your case?

The lack of self-awareness is astounding, I don't need to deep dive into medical studies or get doctors opinions, the fact that everyone of you guys with PFS seem to be on an unhinged personal campaign against people that take a medication is proof enough, always just a few posts away from completely unloading some deep resentment over something I don't understand.

Time and time again you guys show that the anti finasteride people are a group of people in an echo chamber that need psychiatric medication.

@Ghoul

Okay ZERO arguments again, also the absolute irony about fina users talking about echo chambers that literally cope with 1 mentally ill idiot making videos on youtube, amazing. Kevin mann is literally your guru of your pro fina cult that doesn't take any legit criticism of your magical drug.

Hell he admitted having sides from fina in the past but saw how massive the market was of desperate balding guys and then setting up his grifting racket making cope videos. Makes sense he was going to grift on youtube since he was a personal trainer and wasn't making any money.

Another channel destroying Kevin's cope videos:



...

I can post a ton of studies showing the dangers of fina;

Efficacy and safety of Finasteride (5 alpha-reductase inhibitor) monotherapy in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia: A critical review of the literature - PubMed

Although significant clinical benefits of finasteride monotherapy were demonstrated, the effective size of the available reports included in the analysis is limited. Additional head-to-head studies would be needed to re-evaluate clinical efficacy and safety of 5-ARI in combination or not with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sexual health dysfunctions were significantly influenced by finasteride therapy when compared with placebo treated patients.



But hey I'm sure we can trust Merck's studies right? Oh wait...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-courts-secrecy-propecia/

A REUTERS SERIES

Court let Merck hide secrets about a popular drug’s risks
Lawsuits claim baldness drug Propecia causes sexual problems and depression. The judge sealed evidence – uncovered by Reuters – suggesting the maker downplayed the side effects. A widow wants the truth out.



“Merck Manipulated the Science about the Drug Vioxx”
Scientists from the pharmaceutical giant Merck skewed the results of clinical trials in favor of the arthritis drug, Vioxx, to hide evidence that the drug increased patients’ risk of heart attack.

Tragically, Merck’s manipulation of its data—and the FDA’s resulting approval of Vioxx in 1999—led to thousands of avoidable premature deaths and 100,000 heart attacks.?Dr. David Graham, the Associate Director for Science and Medicine in FDA’s Office of Drug Safety, testified in 2004 before the Senate Finance Committee that the FDA's failure to recall Vioxx earlier had resulted in as many as 55,000 premature deaths from heart attacks and stroke, calling it the equivalent of allowing "two to four jumbo jetliners" to crash every week for five years. Even years after discontinuing use of the drug, patients who have taken Vioxx continue to experience complications

Drug giant Merck accused of deaths cover-up

Internal company documents suggest Merck hid fatality rates during trials of the withdrawn painkiller Vioxx

www.newscientist.com

“Merck Agrees to Settle Vioxx Suits for $4.85 Billion”
Three years after withdrawing its pain medication Vioxx from the market, Merck has agreed to pay $4.85 billion to settle 27,000 lawsuits by people who claim they or their family members suffered injury or died after taking the drug, according to two lawyers with direct knowledge of the matter.



Meanwhile many of the fina using cult didn't want to take the vaxx during covid because they didn't trust big pharma, but hey when it comes to their precious hair drug they're full on cope mode and cognitive dissonance. Ironic and sad...

Anyway good luck with the pills that block the most androgenic hormone and many neursteroids, I'm sure they only have an effect on your hairs...

 

[BOSSBIG]

It's expected that some people will react poorly to a drug that significantly alters hormone levels. I don't think that discredits finasteride as a tool for the majority that don't have any noticeable side effects. The fact that most people don't notice anything from such a big decrease in DHT makes a case for it not being all that important imo.

I've tried coming off finasteride for several months to see what would happen. Just got acne, no magical brain power from missing neurosteroids or any other benefit.

 

[Eddie.]

I've seen lately quite a few similar claims like this though.

 

[RandallFlagg]

It's expected that some people will react poorly to a drug that significantly alters hormone levels. I don't think that discredits finasteride as a tool for the majority that don't have any noticeable side effects. The fact that most people don't notice anything from such a big decrease in DHT makes a case for it not being all that important imo.

I've tried coming off finasteride for several months to see what would happen. Just got acne, no magical brain power from missing neurosteroids or any other benefit.

This!

I have tried A LOT of prescription meds in my time. I have had virtually zero side effects from any of them...except Finasteride and Dutasteride. Even Minoxidil made me feel like a goddam zombie every time I started it (tried at least 4 times).

I'd love to keep my hair but I also know whatever the meds do to me, I simply can't afford to feel so mentally dull in my career. I get brain fog like crazy...and I've been able to ignore the ever present possibility of dick side effects. I just can't tolerate the meds (though I MAY give it one last go at the super low doses Ghoul has mentioned several times...since I have a shit ton of meds sitting around ).

I have no doubt that many men have benefited from these drugs. However, it can't really be discounted that a subset of men have crushing side effects with these meds and losing the hair is simply a better option.

I'm all for people using whatever meds help them. I just have a hard time pushing through the mental fog, especially if I have no idea how long that may last. Everyone's different...I'm not a fear mongerer but I definitely understand those that say they can't tolerate the side effects. I refuse to believe that is all psychosomatic.

 

[BOSSBIG]

This!

I have tried A LOT of prescription meds in my time. I have had virtually zero side effects from any of them...except Finasteride and Dutasteride. Even Minoxidil made me feel like a goddam zombie every time I started it (tried at least 4 times).

I'd love to keep my hair but I also know whatever the meds do to me, I simply can't afford to feel so mentally dull in my career. I get brain fog like crazy...and I've been able to ignore the ever present possibility of dick side effects. I just can't tolerate the meds (though I MAY give it one last go at the super low doses Ghoul has mentioned several times...since I have a shit ton of meds sitting around ).

I have no doubt that many men have benefited from these drugs. However, it can't really be discounted that a subset of men have crushing side effects with these meds and losing the hair is simply a better option.

I'm all for people using whatever meds help them. I just have a hard time pushing through the mental fog, especially if I have no idea how long that may last. Everyone's different...I'm not a fear mongerer but I definitely understand those that say they can't tolerate the side effects. I refuse to believe that is all psychosomatic.

Sucks that it did that. Not worth dealing with brain fog. Topical finasteride and RU-58841 are good alternatives.