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Heretic's DNP and the Newbie - long post
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Buckingham
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Really cool post, this is my first post on this board, normally I'm writing on a board in Denmark.
But the post, has been very inspirating to me, so I soon can begin my Dnp cycle.
Think I'm going to start in november.
Buck
But the post, has been very inspirating to me, so I soon can begin my Dnp cycle.
Think I'm going to start in november.
Buck
Heretic
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PsychoDad said:
When you eat complex carbs on DNP it causes your body to radiate even more heat from those carbs being turned into heat instead of energy. By eating simple sugars/complex carbs less heat is produced. People think that it's this immense heat that is burning fat through thermogenics, but that is not the case. The heat is from carbs being turned into heat instead of ATP, so this is just a side effect and not the cause. Therefore eating starchy carbs will not burn more fat, it will just make you hotter and sweatier than you need to be.
Regards,
-H-
Psychodad -
Basically, DNP inhibits the breakdown of ADP which precedes the production of ATP (Kreb's/electron transport chain etc.). Now, ATP is the form in which energy is stored, and importantly, utilised by our bodies and, when it can't be made, will result in the emittance of heat (in any system, heat is the simplest form via which energy can be, and frequently is, lost. e.g. light bulbs) as the energy is wasted.
So, ATP production is decreased by DNP which means the body has little energy to utilise for day to day activities resulting in the lethargy you will feel. Heat is produced and lost via radiation.
DNP is fat soluble meaning that as you begin loading it will tend to accumulate in your fat cells. ATP is required by fat cells for fatty acid synthesis as well as general survival. By disallowing ATP synthesis your body is forced into relying on previously stored energy reserves. Hence fat burning for fuel by adipocytes (the body's fat cells which store fat).
To summarise, DNP causes the body to waste energy forcing it to rely on stored fuel. Luckily, it tends to accumulate in adipocytes due to it's fat solubility and so that's where it carries out most of it's work.
Thus, I don't really think it will matter much what you eat. Obviously, your body won't be completely saturated with DNP (if it is...you know the score) so you're body will still survive and be able to carry out all important functions as well as store some ATP and fats (though any fats you ingest will be more readily burned for fuel since they will be in your blood stream more readily than stored fats). It's just a case of dieting as you usually would to prevent fat gain or increase fat loss.
With regards to the carbs, less in your system would no doubt encourage fat burning but not necessarily due to the DNP and not necessarily that much faster (since not every cell in your body is saturated with the DNP. Increasing dose increases saturation in turn increasing fat burning - but also increasing likelihood of death due to lack of ATP for simple cell function). Complex carbs, as stated by Heretic, will need to be broken down into glucose before glycolysis can occur. Complex carbs = more glucose = more energy waste = more heat = more suffering.
Simple carbs mean more energy (remember - not all cells are saturated so some will produce ATP the normal way) and more energy waste/heat but you will feel tired enough on the DNP so why make yourself feel more miserable? Simple carbs will keep you going. Chocolate works too (but contains fat). If you can handle the lethargy and really want maximum fat loss I should think that it would be more efficacious to stick to low carb although i don't think the difference would be that drastic from a higher carb one as the cells which don't have the DNP will preferentially turn to glycogen stores in the liver for glucose anyway if none is present in diet and so won't turn to fat until stores are exhausted. At which point they will also be eating up precious muscle for energy. Hence, i think low carb will result in, sure greater fat loss, but also probably greater muscle loss.
Sorry for the long-winded approach but I wanted to explain my reasoning.
I stuck to eggs (no yolk), toast and beans in the morning (unless training in which case empty stomach) and a large bowl of fruit for lunch. Dinner was something low fat with lots of veggies and chicken usually. I tried pasta once!!!!!!
Hope this helps.
Basically, DNP inhibits the breakdown of ADP which precedes the production of ATP (Kreb's/electron transport chain etc.). Now, ATP is the form in which energy is stored, and importantly, utilised by our bodies and, when it can't be made, will result in the emittance of heat (in any system, heat is the simplest form via which energy can be, and frequently is, lost. e.g. light bulbs) as the energy is wasted.
So, ATP production is decreased by DNP which means the body has little energy to utilise for day to day activities resulting in the lethargy you will feel. Heat is produced and lost via radiation.
DNP is fat soluble meaning that as you begin loading it will tend to accumulate in your fat cells. ATP is required by fat cells for fatty acid synthesis as well as general survival. By disallowing ATP synthesis your body is forced into relying on previously stored energy reserves. Hence fat burning for fuel by adipocytes (the body's fat cells which store fat).
To summarise, DNP causes the body to waste energy forcing it to rely on stored fuel. Luckily, it tends to accumulate in adipocytes due to it's fat solubility and so that's where it carries out most of it's work.
Thus, I don't really think it will matter much what you eat. Obviously, your body won't be completely saturated with DNP (if it is...you know the score) so you're body will still survive and be able to carry out all important functions as well as store some ATP and fats (though any fats you ingest will be more readily burned for fuel since they will be in your blood stream more readily than stored fats). It's just a case of dieting as you usually would to prevent fat gain or increase fat loss.
With regards to the carbs, less in your system would no doubt encourage fat burning but not necessarily due to the DNP and not necessarily that much faster (since not every cell in your body is saturated with the DNP. Increasing dose increases saturation in turn increasing fat burning - but also increasing likelihood of death due to lack of ATP for simple cell function). Complex carbs, as stated by Heretic, will need to be broken down into glucose before glycolysis can occur. Complex carbs = more glucose = more energy waste = more heat = more suffering.
Simple carbs mean more energy (remember - not all cells are saturated so some will produce ATP the normal way) and more energy waste/heat but you will feel tired enough on the DNP so why make yourself feel more miserable? Simple carbs will keep you going. Chocolate works too (but contains fat). If you can handle the lethargy and really want maximum fat loss I should think that it would be more efficacious to stick to low carb although i don't think the difference would be that drastic from a higher carb one as the cells which don't have the DNP will preferentially turn to glycogen stores in the liver for glucose anyway if none is present in diet and so won't turn to fat until stores are exhausted. At which point they will also be eating up precious muscle for energy. Hence, i think low carb will result in, sure greater fat loss, but also probably greater muscle loss.
Sorry for the long-winded approach but I wanted to explain my reasoning.
I stuck to eggs (no yolk), toast and beans in the morning (unless training in which case empty stomach) and a large bowl of fruit for lunch. Dinner was something low fat with lots of veggies and chicken usually. I tried pasta once!!!!!!
Hope this helps.
champion339
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booroo, can you please email me mate - champion339@hotmail.com
i'm after some info about heretic and the ordering process for international orders. thanks in advance pal
i'm after some info about heretic and the ordering process for international orders. thanks in advance pal
champion339 said:
Hi mate,
I will email you but it's probably better if you set yourself up an encrypted email address. Go to www.hushmail.com, it only takes a minute.
Just post or PM your email address to me once you're done.
Booroo, please email me as well if you can, my email is LATTS@OPERAMAIL.COM. I have started my H's DNP cycle and am running 14 days. I started on Monday 8/23 and and am still at 200mg as of the 24th but am planning on going up to 400mg and continuning at the level unless I feel I should go up to 600mg(probably won't) Also taking 50mcg T3 after day7. I am not feeling hot at all just a little warm, which brings me to my question. Do you need to be very hot for DNP to be working? I am taking all precautions as directed including up to 2 1/2 gallons on water daily. Sorry for the long post, I just feel the need to be as informed as possible. A HUGE bump to H for his great help and service. Thanks, LIV.
champion339
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liv2lift, real interested to hear about your progress - and i'm sure others are too. if u get a chance, can u post some info???
Booroo, i'll get on the hushmail account asap. cheers pal
Booroo, i'll get on the hushmail account asap. cheers pal
liv2lift -
please give the usual protocol a chance! The first 4/5 days were easy for me too but on the 6th (2nd day at 400mg) it really kicked in. Don't up dosage just yet.
you don't need to feel warm for DNP to work. It just means that you probably aren't taking in that much carb or are fairly glycogen depleted already. You WILL get warmer though as your cells get saturated. Remember DNP has a half life of around 36 hours so each time you dose the DNP in your system is steadily increasing.
p.s. I've sent you a pm
please give the usual protocol a chance! The first 4/5 days were easy for me too but on the 6th (2nd day at 400mg) it really kicked in. Don't up dosage just yet.
you don't need to feel warm for DNP to work. It just means that you probably aren't taking in that much carb or are fairly glycogen depleted already. You WILL get warmer though as your cells get saturated. Remember DNP has a half life of around 36 hours so each time you dose the DNP in your system is steadily increasing.
p.s. I've sent you a pm
Heretic
New Member
For the millionth time, do NOT do Atkins/CKD/low-carb diets while ON DNP. DNP is basically like being on a CKD diet as it burns all the glucose in your system. You still need some carbs to function on several levels, so if you cut your body's carbs even further you risk going hypo, which means nausea, dizziness, etc. If you experience this it means your blood sugar is too low and you need to drink some soda or eat some candy immediately till you feel better. Always eat high protein, moderate carbs from simple sources like fruit, and little to no fat while on DNP.
Regards,
-H-
Regards,
-H-
I cannot remember where but I believe I read somewhere on this board that DNP begins to lose its effects after 9 or so days(if correct why is this?) First am I correct in this or did I misread? 2nd if it's correct I am planning on just running 10 days then running Clen @200-240mcg ED for 2wks (experienced Clen user and 200mcg barely makes me shake). If it is wrong I am planning 2wks DNP followed by 2wks Clen. Any thoughts on this. I did plenty of research on DNP but this is new info for me as I did not find it anywhere else. Thanks guys, LIV.
Heretic
New Member
People think that because thryoid hormone slow down occurs about that time, but that's not the DNP slowing down it's your thryoid. That's why many people choose to supplement with T-3 if they're going to be on for longer than that. But DNP will still work no matter what, it just may not work that extra 10% or whatever, but it's not like you just stop losing weight, that's a bit of a misconception.
Regards,
-H-
Regards,
-H-
