Germaican
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Just turned 48. 3IU/day AM fasted. I tried a 2IU AM - 1IU before bed split and it fucked up my sleep for a week.
MESO-Rx
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Yes. But how high have you gone? I’m wondering if 10iu is significantly better then 6-7 iu
Mastedon
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50+ yrs started at 1 IU for a month, 2IU for a month, I'm at 3.3IU for a couple months now and about to go to 4IU...always before bed.
Ghoul
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54 to 60 is 10 years? He developed acromegaly symptoms within 2 years.
Trades
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mid 40's. right now I'll run 8-10iu on training days usually 4x per week and anywhere from 3-6iu on non-training days depending on how much is left in vial before i reconstitute a new one. or I'll just miss a day randomly and won't worry about it.
i'm another one where it messes with my sleep if i take it right before bed. i usually bang it all in the morning
i'm another one where it messes with my sleep if i take it right before bed. i usually bang it all in the morning
explodingHeart
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You're scaring me out of taking GH or high doses. I wanted to do it for a few more years or at least settle on 4 iu long term.
I wanna be like this guy and keep on rocking until I'm 50.
I don't care that one random person with a related disease has negative effects from GH. I was semi seriously asking if anyone on long term is experiencing extra facial aging.
Is there any added synergy when pinning hgh at the same time as your anabolics? I can’t imagine this would make a difference. For example I use my anabolics in the morning. Right now 30mg test p. 20mg mast e. And the 2iu before bed 14-16 hr later. Getting ready to switch to test e or c once I finish the vial of prop. Was wondering if doing it all together in the evening would be any added benefit?? Again doubtful, but guys like Dr Todd Lee say shoot it all together. I am not mixing oil and water, however maybe doing it all at the same time creates my synergy??
AlexDavis43
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I shoot most shit in the morning; not for synergy, but for convenience and I don't think it makes a difference
(if it does make a difference, it's a very very small difference)
I didn’t think so. I think I’m going to start doing the same thing though. In the evening however. I’m sick of doing it in the morning lol
I now know mine crashes at night while i sleep unless i drink a protein shake prior to bed… its crazy…
But but at the age of 47 i looked exactly like ed norton the actor… so gh made me completely change my face and made me fat and gave me wrinkles??
I think that is an ai image
Ghoul
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Case report for Mr. Cromagnon attached. (from 2004, so def not AI)
It's almost a funny story. Patient was so happy (like dancing around the room happy), about his rHGH replacement therapy his doctor never bothered addressing the elevated IGF by lowering the dose, as docs are supposed to, because he didn't want to interfere with what appeared to be boosting his patient's quality of life so much.
So this dude was running around with 2x upper limit of normal of IGF for 5 years until it got bad enough other people finally noticed his slow motion transformation into Quasimodo.
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Slow motion into quasimodo haha
No wonder why he was so happy to get on GH. Doctor had him on 100mg test E every 3 weeks...
Averaging an IGF level of 550ng/ml off 2iu is wild. I guess a body adapts to pituitary dysfunction as best it can.
Seeing case studies like these only reaffirms my lack of faith in doctors. Being here arguing about what to put into our bodies, and what health markers to look at is important. Doctors cannot be blindly trusted on anything.
Ghoul
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100%.
For more nuance, this guy was clearly wealthy, using a private practitioner in a country with socialized medicine. He was on top of his hormones for a long time, getting TRT when few were, and one of the earliest recipients in Germany of adult replacement rHGH when it must have cost an absolute fortune. So his doc may have been motivated to just give this paying customer whatever he wanted to keep him happy. Luckily for us, he made himself a guinea pig, with good records unlike illicit users, for us to see what happens to a relatively healthy guy exposed to very high IGF for an extended period of time. The problem with all the people who needed rHGH as children for short stature is they are very different from us, either being extra sensitive to GH/IGF or insensitive to it, genetically, so we can't use them to compare to ourselves.
As for medical practitioners, you're absolutely right. You must be your own advocate, and educate yourself if you want the best outcomes. I saved my own life this way after a serious accident, and once I realized how close I came to a lifetime of needless handicap and suffering had I put blind faith in the first two surgeons I consulted, I've taken a very proactive stance with doctors ever since,
It's allowed me to do the same for people I care about, ensuring a much better outcome for them vs just "going along" with the default treatment being pushed on them.
Today I'm lucky enough to have a relatively cooperative set of providers, but even there, for managing straightforward things like BP or lipids, it's obvious they are FAR behind what's understood to be the highest standard of care. Not the standards of some fringe theories, but those of the major organizations and leading doctors in these fields.
For most, being a doctor is a job, not a passion, and they're not spending time staying updated on the latest developments in their off time, and, for the really highly paid, the surgeons, you represent a boat payment, little more.
I've learned many ways to get the best possible care, but the simplest is, if you have access to a University affiliated primary care provider, use them. That ties you into specialists in their integrated system that are often educators, researchers, and passionate people who are exposed to lectures and presentations that keep them on the leading edge, vs the providers who don't progress much once they've graduated.
Ranging from 8-12 mostly generic, most of the year. 51 years old. Transitioning to pharma grade until the end of the year.
Yes 10iu is significantly better than 6-7iu. 10iu is all the higher I have gone, I would like to find out what 15-18iu per day would do, but I don't really see any point in going that high.
Dial It In
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Jacks with my sleep also. I started at night before bed since that’s typically when I’m on an empty stomach. Tried after workout in the mornings but I eat before I train then eat after. For all I know I e just been wasting GH due to my timing. Can’t find that spot that is best. GH is something I’ve only been messing with the last year as I was always fear mongered away from it. New coach convinced me it’s all good and they use 10iu a day. I’m on 2-4 depending where I’m at in training. I know everyone has different conceits when to pin but I’d appreciate the advice. Getting close to 50 and want to get the most out of this lifestyle while I’m still able. Regular AAS I cracked protocol usage for my body years ago but GH still trying to learn.
sionnach
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First week I slept fucking great doing PM. Now if I pin at bedtime, I wake up at 2 and can't go back to sleep. If I do AM, I'm sleepy all day. I can't win.
It's crazy after all these years there's still no consensus on timing.
