HGH at 23, am im stupid?

[Proud Pangolin]

So, as you guys can see am a new member. The reason why i joined is harmreduction and basiacally i should mature enough to know the answer but:

Im 23 (had two cycles, last one was 600mg test and 600mg DHB even though i started with 500mg test and 400mg DHB. At the end i threw in some tbol but only because i quit the DHB (cypionate) much earlyer but anyways thats not the topic). Right now im cutting to get ready for next cycle (600mg test and 600mg DHB as i dont see why i should change a working system and its a strong cycle anyways)

What does this have to do with HGH? I got pretty fat over Christmas. I have to lose between 5-10kg. Thats 11-22 freedom per eagel (lb).

So i ordered som HGH to help with fatloss. In the first 2-3 months (with some 2weeks break in it though) of my pcf i used GHRP-2 and that other thin "no dac" (sorry i cant access my freezer right now). You know what im talkimg about.

I had very good results on it. I bulked and even though i ate a lot, i really didnt get fat. Thats why i was so surprised how fat i got during my one moth vacation because while obviously not training and doing my cardio its not like I stuffed my self like a pig. The fact that i run my enclomiphen citrate pretty long (8weeks full dosage and then i slowly reduces the dosage the next 3 weeks) may also have played a role because it raisesed my testosteron.

But my feeling was that this came from the peptides.

So until like a couple of day my plan was to run 4IU of HGH (split into two dosages as a fat loss protocoll) for like 1-2 months.

Now i have read the horrorstory here if that guy you took HGH at the age of 19?20? Something like that for only 4months and had significant face changes.

Im a pretty guy, i really dont want to lose that.

So basiacally i want to know what your take is on this. And yes i do realise nobody can gurantee anything, everybody is different etc.
But how stupid of an idea based on risk/benefit would you rate this from 1-10?

Im like torn appart, one part of me things, thats was one single case, you are anyways playing with your natural test, hair and health/life so stop bitching
And the other part says, why would you risk getting ugly just for some fatloss.

 

[malfeasance]

• Total Testosterone: 285 ng/dL (Normal: 240–870 ng/dL)

How long has it been since your last cycle, and how long has it been since you completed PCT? Basically, what I am asking is how much time has passed between the time you stopped doing anything to monkey with your hormone levels and the date of this blood test result that was about a month ago?

 

[Proud Pangolin]

i would be more concerned with "free testosterone " thats flowing , imho, but those are good tests ,,

Where i life all this would cost you like 500 bucks easy to test. Only me testing my free test,total test, LH/FSH, SHBG and E2 cost me 160 bucks.

How long has it been since your last cycle, and how long has it been since you completed PCT? Basically, what I am asking is how much time has passed between the time you stopped doing anything to monkey with your hormone levels and the date of this blood test result that was about a month ago?

I did 8weeks of 25mg Enclomiphene.

Since then about 4 months have passed.

Now there is some empiric evidence that even with pct full restoratio takes 9months and potentially more

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/and.14576

However they didnt controll for the ASS beeing used but stated that deca as one example. Everybodys knows that 19-nor metabolites will shut you down for a much longer time.


Im also on a low carb diet,combined with low fat and high training stimulus (everyday cardio and 4x a week gym)

The month before i did my bloodwork i also slept as bad as almost never before.

Just mentioning this factors as these also will decrease my hormone levels.


Never the less, my values are very low and if the study is right and i simply haven recovered yet fully, i think it wont hurt to do another PCT.
Right?
Because diet,bad sleep,and stress may be a factor but with my values i could basically get TRT.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

2kg is progress, and it is in the correct direction.

If you are eating enough protein and weight training, then you will not lose a lot of muscle. You may not lose any until you get very lean.

So congratulations on your progress. Keep it going and adjust what you need to adjust a little at a time to keep things going in the right direction. If you are not tracking your meals and cardio, then it is difficult to make small changes. How do you pull out 50 grams of carbohydrates a day unless you are tracking carbohydrates? How do you pull out 22 grams of fats unless you are tracking fats? In both cases, that is pulling out 200 calories a day. How do you know if you hit 250 grams of protein unless you are weighing your food and tracking? When you plug in your food, and myfitnesspal says you are at 220 grams of protein for the day following dinner, well, guess who needs to eat another 100 grams of grilled skinless chicken breast before going to sleep at night?

What makes it easy for me to track is that im eating the same things every day.
4 eggs in the morning with 30g of oatmeal, then my shake with 80g of protein on training days, for lunch chicken (300- raw weight) with 320g of boiled potatos, in the afternoom 400g of european cream cheese (no fat in it), and for dinner 500g of skyr + 210g of boiled potatos but i cut these down to 120g a week ago.

On top of this 15g of omega 3 fish oil and some carbs through a couple of pickels or tomatos i eat in the morning and for dinner as sides.

So in general im really not eating a lot of carbs, i would say.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Because diet,bad sleep,and stress may be a factor but with my values i could basically get TRT.

You obviously want to improve those other lifestyle factors, but I wouldn't rule out TRT.

What makes it easy for me to track is that im eating the same things every day.
4 eggs in the morning with 30g of oatmeal, then my shake with 80g of protein on training days, for lunch chicken (300- raw weight) with 320g of boiled potatos, in the afternoom 400g of european cream cheese (no fat in it), and for dinner 500g of skyr + 210g of boiled potatos but i cut these down to 120g a week ago.

On top of this 15g of omega 3 fish oil and some carbs through a couple of pickels or tomatos i eat in the morning and for dinner as sides.

So in general im really not eating a lot of carbs, i would say.

Is your primary goal fat loss? what are your total calories?