Ateam2023
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You said it yourself, it could happen to the other one,,,, good luck on your journey
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Hgh gyno flares up
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Thanks a lot! I Will remove both ahah
Yes it keeps the aromatization from attaching behind the nipples. But it doesn’t lower the aromatization or estro levels at all. It simply keeps it from attaching and growing in the breast.
I tend to like my E2 on the higher side of the average range. I just feel better and have better libido like that. And I had gyno from puberty. So Nolvadex has been a life saver for me and my tits.
Ghoul
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Gynocomastia is associated with high levels of GH.
When growth hormone therapy loses effectiveness, endocrinologists test for growth hormone antibodies, a sign of immunogenicity, ie, developing an immunity to GH.
If antibodies are detected, the usual approach to overcoming immunity is to try a different brand.
So it sounds like if gyno is flaring up right after switching brand or batches, that's a clue you've developed antibodies neutralizing GH, and after the switch, it started working like it should.
Keep in mind, it can take months or even years for immunity to build to the point HGH becomes ineffective to the level it's noticeable. The test can be performed at any of the usual blood testing facilities..
When growth hormone therapy loses effectiveness, endocrinologists test for growth hormone antibodies, a sign of immunogenicity, ie, developing an immunity to GH.
If antibodies are detected, the usual approach to overcoming immunity is to try a different brand.
So it sounds like if gyno is flaring up right after switching brand or batches, that's a clue you've developed antibodies neutralizing GH, and after the switch, it started working like it should.
Keep in mind, it can take months or even years for immunity to build to the point HGH becomes ineffective to the level it's noticeable. The test can be performed at any of the usual blood testing facilities..
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So can i still run hgh using ralox to stop nipples growing?
The point Is: Is really aromatization the cause of gyno on hgh?
Ghoul
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Everything I'm seeing suggests hyperprolactemia caused by excess hgh caber or reduction of gh as the treatment.
If you've developed ED that's another clue.
Best thing to do would be to get prolactin checked to determine if that's the root cause.
Acromegaly and male sexual health - PMC
Acromegaly is a rare pathology characterized by chronic hypersecretion of Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) that causes somatic, metabolic, and systemic changes. The somatotropic axis acts physiologically favoring gonadal ...
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No ED for the Moment, i feel even Better under that situation, i'll do Blood next week.Everything I'm seeing suggests hyperprolactemia caused by excess hgh caber or reduction of gh as the treatment.
If you've developed ED that's another clue.
Best thing to do would be to get prolactin checked to determine if that's the root cause.
Acromegaly and male sexual health - PMC
Acromegaly is a rare pathology characterized by chronic hypersecretion of Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) that causes somatic, metabolic, and systemic changes. The somatotropic axis acts physiologically favoring gonadal ...
I mean Will the ralox block breast from growing during lower dose of hgh or it Will be useless because It Is caused from other reasons?
Ghoul
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My best guess is ralox will work, perhaps at a higher than usual dose, because hyperprolactemia increases the number of estrogen receptors in breast tissue, making it more prone to gyno even if estrogen levels stay the same.
Do you think worth to give It a try? Or ralox Will cause other issue like ed or something?
Ghoul
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Ralox is very selective for the estrogen receptors that cause gyno, (alpha receptors),and only weakly bonds to the other type that causes most sides (beta) so they're rare. It's reported to reduce gyno by 50%+ in 90% of men, but I haven't found any studies that show what happens long term, over 3 months.
You're going to have to decide how you feel, and whether it's worth staying on long term just to use a low dose of HGH.
Anonymous35
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Gh from gyno can be from prolactin
So like I s
yeah I see what you’re saying. And I’m not positive if it is the same kind of aromatization as you get from AAS. My guess is yes it is the same.
But regardless of the answer, I know for a fact that Nolvadex will stop your nips from itching and keep gyno from HGH from forming or growing. And I know because it’s happened to me several times. Even with test low low. Like less than 100mgs a week low. And I started getting the dreaded itchy nips several times as I ramped up the HGH. And every time nolva has stopped it.
I like Ralox too. I have done the infamous Ralox Gyno Shrinking protocol twice. It’s basically 60 milligrams for 60 days. Many guys report major shrinkage of hard tissue behind the nips. Some even claim it totally dissolved their gyno. It definitely shrunk mine. And it’s probably safer on paper than nolvadex. But I prefer nolvadex for flare ups. The Ralox takes a little longer to shrink the tissue and stop the itching.
The only potential negative I’m aware of is there’s been a decent amount of folks that got floaters in their eyes from Nolvadex. Hasn’t happened to me but it’s something I considered.
Thanks for your reply
First i want to stop this gyno
Second i'd like to use hgh Just for 8 weeks to help healing not staying for long time
Usually for gyno how long someone should use 60mg of ralox ? 6 weeks?
this is great info! thanks
I know you have asked a few times essentially "if you should use ralox" and/or "will it help / stop the gyno" to summarize everyone's implications - we don't know unfortunately...
Weigh the Pro's & cons? What would you regret more 1 year from now; using ralox or not using ralox lol!
Happy new years guys
Thanks for the reply
I Will ditch the hgh anyway, my point wheter take ralox or not Is based on if It helps the gyno caused from hgh
Not to take ralox to take hgh
skubysnacks
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Hey chris, I would have responded sooner, but I was just able to get my account back after a few years. I'm a reader, not a poster. Lol. I usually don't log in and that got my account deactivated a few years ago.
I was in the same situation as you. I was running a trt dose of 75mg of test e a week and 5iu's of gh. I get a lump under my right nipple when I go over 75mg a week. Aromasin gets rid of it within 2 weeks.
I started getting the lump back, so I started aromasin. After 3 or so weeks the lump was getting bigger. Someone told me that gh can raise prolactin and after some research, saw that to be the case. Gh and prolactin are both released from the anterior pituitary gland.
I started caber and the lump started going away after a couple of weeks and was gone after about 4 weeks.
I hope this helps. Sounds like you are in the same situation I was in. Sorry I couldn't respond sooner.
Hello skuby! Thanks a lot for your reply! It Is really interesting what happened to you It Is the same issue that happened to me for now i suspended the hgh and After two weeks the itching and soreness are gone but i would run hgh tho. Did you run hgh and caber and you found hgh working With caber? What Is your canber dosage ? It Is safe to run hgh and caber for the whole hgh cycle? (Of course With Blood test at hand)
My lump Is There for years now but when i start hgh It start to sore...
I was thinking about surgery.
Thanks a lot!!!
skubysnacks
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I was running .5mg, twice a week while running the hgh at 5iu's a night. I had no issues running the hgh and caber together. I'm running about 3.75iu's a night at the moment without the caber. The lump hasn't come back yet.
As far as safety is concerned, I don't know the answer to that.
Surgery sounds like it may be an option for you. I can get my lump to the point where I can't feel it at all.
And another thing, don't keep messing with/feeling the lump. It can make it worse.
As far as safety is concerned, I don't know the answer to that.
Surgery sounds like it may be an option for you. I can get my lump to the point where I can't feel it at all.
And another thing, don't keep messing with/feeling the lump. It can make it worse.
Great! .5mg three days apart? I used in the past this way.
Did you tested your prolactin before use caber?
I have a question: what if Blood work return a prolactin result that Is High but in range? Is also this case to use caber? ( Talking like the other ormons are in range)
My lump Is not visible from outside but can be felt With the tip of a finger.
Thanks
Did you tested your prolactin before use caber?
I have a question: what if Blood work return a prolactin result that Is High but in range? Is also this case to use caber? ( Talking like the other ormons are in range)
My lump Is not visible from outside but can be felt With the tip of a finger.
Thanks
