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HGH question
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bigforyouben
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Did you get IGF-1 blood tests before starting?
bigforyouben
Member
With regards to tingling: On 2iu my carpal tunnel got bad enough to require carpal tunnel release surgery (even after I stopped for several months). Post-surgery at 4iu I don't have any tingling.
2iu a day - no issues
2iu a day + 2iu three times a week - no issues
4iu a day (every day) - everything starts to stiffen up and wrists start to really ache - have to back off a month
2iu a day + 2iu three times a week - no issues
4iu a day (every day) - everything starts to stiffen up and wrists start to really ache - have to back off a month
DeodatoFulci
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Ive been on 4iu-6iu since early October. No signs of carpal tunnel, i only stayed at this dose due to higher rhr. Since titrating reta down to 2.5 mg a week, rhr has normalized so i may go back to 6iu daily for a few months.
SpicyMeatball
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I got a carpal tunnel release, gynecomastia gland removal, a couple of stints in my arteries, a vasectomy, and shaved my head so I can take any amount of steroids and have no sides.
Type-IIx
Member
Some people who are d3 homozygous (d3d3) in the GHR gene experience edema and carpal tunnel at 2 IU pretty rapidly. Those are GH hyperresponders.
GH effects on sleep aren't all positive: but eventually you're very likely to experience some sleep changes. GH increases the duration of stage 4/5 sleep generally, but also increases nighttime awakenings and causes sleep apnea over time by stimulating adenotonsillar growth (kind of "tongue hypertrophy") – so you might wake up choking or snoring loudly.
Tingling, I guess you mean feeling carpal tunnel symptoms, nerve entrapment? Hopefully not bro! But possibly.
You're correct that 2 IU is a low dose!
Ateam2023
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@Type-IIx i cant seem to find anything about post op hgh protocol in the bolus book and i was wondering the best protocol to run hgh after my shoulder surgery im having today? I have been doing am injections, but i did a pm im bolus last night and got 30 more minutes of deep sleep, could that be a one off night ,? Thanks for any thoughts on this.
Cheers for the amazing anwser G and yeah ive woken up almost every day for like the past 3 days pinning and yeah hopefully not lmao i read somewhere that like u NEED cpt to know its real but idk thanks for the reply
Elektrobot
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Bloodwork dude
You did get your natty igf tested before starting, right?
Compare your new igf. You will see in your bloodwork if it is effective or not.
If you didn't do your homework and skipped bloodwork before starting-
You can pin 10iu IM and go get your GH serum levels checked 2 hours later.
If it's 30ish, you got good stuff. If it's under 30, increase your dosing by whatever % it tests under
songsofpyramids
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I’m also be very curious about this.
Ateam2023
Member
This is the only thing in that bolus book about anything related to healing and its sparse at best , "cant give medical advice" say the author, idk , the more i review this book , the more disappointing it becomes,
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songsofpyramids
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I was also curious about what to do with one’s hgh dose when sick with a virus like Covid but I guess that’s a no go with no medical advice.
Ghoul
Member
Do what endocrinologists do with patients on rHGH for adult GH replacement treatment who get sick (other than cancer and a few other specific ailments).
Nothing.
In fact, given the delay between when you stop rHGH, and endogenous production ramps back up, it seems like you’d be risking slowing your immune system (GH modulates immunity) at the worst possible time.
songsofpyramids
Member
Endos won’t be putting their patients on 4-8iu of hgh is the only problem. When I got Covid I dropped from the 5iu I was doing to 2.5iu thinking natural+ would likely be a better place to be than supraphysiological. I agree that dropping it entirely would have been foolish, but I was trying to be safe and I wasn’t lifting while sick. I’ve been real curious if that was the right move or if higher dose would have boosted healing or mitigated the damage. Can’t find shit about it. I’m surprised healing protocols with hgh aren’t more discussed honestly.
Elektrobot
Member
Isn't 18iu's a standard serostim protocol?
songsofpyramids
Member
Good point. I didn’t look too hard into what they do with aids patients on hgh and spent more time digging into what the anti aging clinics do in that situation. I will now. Only issue I see is aids patients have trouble converting exogenous hgh to igf1 so their dosing isn’t 1:1 for someone whose liver is not being fucked by the drugs they need to take to not die.
Ghoul
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People who develop acromegaly have slightly elevated baseline inflammation, sometimes a slightly hyperactive immune response, but only an issue if they have an autoimmune disease.
They have the same infection rate as those without acromegaly. So immunity isn’t suppressed, and response is a little “hotter” than those with normal IGF.
I saw a study recently that found those with higher IGF-1 levels had shorter hospital stays and recovered from illness and injury faster than those with lower IGF.
Of course those were in the physiological range, and it may not be the IGF-1 conferring their fast recovery characteristics… but maybe…
