hgh question

hewey Grant

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For the younger guys, can some give their input or experiences on what age they started growth. What in most of your eyes is a reasonable age for a serious bodybuilder experienced in anabolics to add in growth? Thanks for your time.
 
I am interested as well. It has always been in the back of my mind..."Hey, maybe I should try this out", but it is pretty damn expensive. What is the best type of HGH out there? What is an alternative to the best, but a little more cost effective. How many kits would one need for a typical cycle? What else needs to be taken w/ HGH??? Sorry for all the questions bros...just trying to keep my options open. If I can afford it, I may totally switch what I was going to do and try it out.

How are the sides from HGH? More harsh/dangerous than other AAS? I have heard that it causes your organs to grow abnormally, which can cause serious problems. What type of results can one expect from HGH (lets say 3 kits...not sure how many ICU's that is...help please. I know it is used as a great fat cutter and can reverse the aging process, but what about strength and size increase (how many lbs should one expect to gain). I believe it is all lean muscle mass gained, right?

Shred, or anyone with some good advice please help me out on this one. Basically I am have plateaued (sp), and am looking to put on 15lbs of lean, vascular, hard, ripped the fuck up muscle that will stay with me for a good long time. SO, someone w/ some experience please help a good bro out. That would be me by the way ;) .

Oh yeah...last ? I promise. Is it possible to gain any inches in height from HGH (I am 25 yrs old BTW). I am very interested in learning from some personal experiences as well as having my questions answered if some of you vets/mods/HGH users can help me out. Thanks in advance. Thanks guys.

peace,

Glock19
 
ttt for all HGH users. Come on bros...help a youngblood out in a time of need :D . All youse gotz to do is answer a couple questions.
 
I dont have time now cause I am going out to eat. But I will answer it when I get back later tonight or tomorrow morning (friday) at the lastest ok?

I have had GOOD experience with it only 4iu per day.
 
Glock19 said:
1.) How are the sides from HGH? More harsh/dangerous than other AAS?

2.) I have heard that it causes your organs to grow abnormally, which can cause serious problems.

3.) What type of results can one expect from HGH (lets say 3 kits...not sure how many ICU's that is...help please.

4.) I know it is used as a great fat cutter and can reverse the aging process, but what about strength and size increase (how many lbs should one expect to gain). I believe it is all lean muscle mass gained, right?

5.) Basically I am have plateaued (sp), and am looking to put on 15lbs of lean, vascular, hard, ripped the fuck up muscle that will stay with me for a good long time.


6.) Oh yeah...last ? I promise. Is it possible to gain any inches in height from HGH (I am 25 yrs old BTW).
Glock19

1.) Ummmm, well, ever bent over to tie your shoes and felt like your head was going to pop? Ever had your wrists ache like you had arthritis? Ever felt soo out of breath from trying to climb 2 flights of stairs that it took 10 minutes and a lot of sweating to recover from? Ever had pulmonary edema?

2.) Yes, it causes organ growth....which is why it is used to treat mass wasting patients. It also helps the elderly in that regard as well. It also helps pre-existing tumors grow nicely as well....which is why doctors test patients for different forms of cancer prior to prescribing it.

3.) This is the same as saying "How much can I expect to gain from 50mg of dbol?". Each person is different.

4.) Its not that great a fat cutter. Dont be misled into thinking it will get you to valhalla. And as far as size and strength increases, taken by itself, you will suck up water, salts, and minerals and perhaps gain anywhere from 3 to 10 pounds in a week, and at that point, is does not do much else. Now, if used with insulin and other drugs, it seems to have an amplified effect but growth taken by itself does not yield much and it is certainly not a good proposition on a gains per dollar basis. However, some people use growth for rehabilitation and in that respect, it can be helpful.....but perhaps not as helpful as simply taking 6 months off of gear.....does that make sense? In other words, a guy that has to use growth 4-6 months out of the year to rehab from steroid-induced tendon and ligament damage is simply applying a bandaid. Stop the gear for a while, train, tendons become nice and healthy again. But again, with respect to size and strength gains, everybody is different, you should know that no one can forecast what you will gain. As far as using growth and insulin, if you know nothing about growth and cant even get the term IU figured out, insulin would be a very dangerous proposition for you.

5.) Doubtful. Very doubtful. As you increase in mass, you reach approach a limit asymptotically. The more you gain, the slower you will gain year-on-year....unless you have access to a stellar nutritionist, the right doctor, and about $ 80K per year for drugs. If you are 70-100# over your rest mass state (the state you were in before you started training), you would be lucky to gain 5-8# per year even with gear.

6.) not for you....not at that age and again, you're a long way from playing with growth at this stage.

Perhaps adding a couple of extra cheeseburgers and a half gallon of milk to your present diet will break you out of the stagnation. I know a guy at the gym who broke out from 254 to 268 within a month after boosting his calories about 1500 cals per day and I KNOW he is clean and doesnt look to friggin bad at that weight fat-wise. Some of you guys dont realize that you can be 185-190 and shredded...but you're always 185-190 and shredded. You need to eat more to gain more and you're not going to put on another 60# by maintaining 7-8% bodyfat....it just doesnt happen. You have to let yourself slip to around 10-12% and pile on the food.

This brings up a funny subject. I saw a guy at Gold's Huntington Beach last weekend and he looked awfully familiar. I then remembered where I saw him. I was at Panda Express picking up some food after the gym and all of these degenerate HB kids piled out of a lowered van - full on white boy disco sort of thing. Anyway, its 45 degrees out and this idiot has his shirt off walking around talking with his little buddies, kinda acting like "look at me, I think I'm big" and again, if you like the hairless high school swimmer look, I guess the kid probably thought he was the shit at a buck eighty-five....but, he will never be big as a result of his desire to be mr shredded the club bitch and no matter how much lat flexing he does walking to the drinking fountain, nobody will ever take him seriously. The parallel here is, if you look like that guy and want to get bigger, you have to do something that you probably do not want to do - eat, eat, and eat more....and just accept the fact that you wont see your bottom 2 abdominals.

I dont know what stage you are at.....if you're like 5-10 300# and feel like you're at your genetic limit, I'm inclined to believe you. If you're 5-10 200, I think you need to re-evaluate your nutrition...and most likely your training.
 
Hogg said:
1.) Ummmm, well, ever bent over to tie your shoes and felt like your head was going to pop? Ever had your wrists ache like you had arthritis? Ever felt soo out of breath from trying to climb 2 flights of stairs that it took 10 minutes and a lot of sweating to recover from? Ever had pulmonary edema?

2.) Yes, it causes organ growth....which is why it is used to treat mass wasting patients. It also helps the elderly in that regard as well. It also helps pre-existing tumors grow nicely as well....which is why doctors test patients for different forms of cancer prior to prescribing it.

3.) This is the same as saying "How much can I expect to gain from 50mg of dbol?". Each person is different.

4.) Its not that great a fat cutter. Dont be misled into thinking it will get you to valhalla. And as far as size and strength increases, taken by itself, you will suck up water, salts, and minerals and perhaps gain anywhere from 3 to 10 pounds in a week, and at that point, is does not do much else. Now, if used with insulin and other drugs, it seems to have an amplified effect but growth taken by itself does not yield much and it is certainly not a good proposition on a gains per dollar basis. However, some people use growth for rehabilitation and in that respect, it can be helpful.....but perhaps not as helpful as simply taking 6 months off of gear.....does that make sense? In other words, a guy that has to use growth 4-6 months out of the year to rehab from steroid-induced tendon and ligament damage is simply applying a bandaid. Stop the gear for a while, train, tendons become nice and healthy again. But again, with respect to size and strength gains, everybody is different, you should know that no one can forecast what you will gain. As far as using growth and insulin, if you know nothing about growth and cant even get the term IU figured out, insulin would be a very dangerous proposition for you.

5.) Doubtful. Very doubtful. As you increase in mass, you reach approach a limit asymptotically. The more you gain, the slower you will gain year-on-year....unless you have access to a stellar nutritionist, the right doctor, and about $ 80K per year for drugs. If you are 70-100# over your rest mass state (the state you were in before you started training), you would be lucky to gain 5-8# per year even with gear.

6.) not for you....not at that age and again, you're a long way from playing with growth at this stage.

Perhaps adding a couple of extra cheeseburgers and a half gallon of milk to your present diet will break you out of the stagnation. I know a guy at the gym who broke out from 254 to 268 within a month after boosting his calories about 1500 cals per day and I KNOW he is clean and doesnt look to friggin bad at that weight fat-wise. Some of you guys dont realize that you can be 185-190 and shredded...but you're always 185-190 and shredded. You need to eat more to gain more and you're not going to put on another 60# by maintaining 7-8% bodyfat....it just doesnt happen. You have to let yourself slip to around 10-12% and pile on the food.

This brings up a funny subject. I saw a guy at Gold's Huntington Beach last weekend and he looked awfully familiar. I then remembered where I saw him. I was at Panda Express picking up some food after the gym and all of these degenerate HB kids piled out of a lowered van - full on white boy disco sort of thing. Anyway, its 45 degrees out and this idiot has his shirt off walking around talking with his little buddies, kinda acting like "look at me, I think I'm big" and again, if you like the hairless high school swimmer look, I guess the kid probably thought he was the shit at a buck eighty-five....but, he will never be big as a result of his desire to be mr shredded the club bitch and no matter how much lat flexing he does walking to the drinking fountain, nobody will ever take him seriously. The parallel here is, if you look like that guy and want to get bigger, you have to do something that you probably do not want to do - eat, eat, and eat more....and just accept the fact that you wont see your bottom 2 abdominals.

I dont know what stage you are at.....if you're like 5-10 300# and feel like you're at your genetic limit, I'm inclined to believe you. If you're 5-10 200, I think you need to re-evaluate your nutrition...and most likely your training.

Good points you made there bro. BTW...I don't want to look like the douche bag you saw the other day ;) . I doubt I could afford HGH anyway, plus it kind of scares me a little. So I'll just stick to my Test/EQ/Winny stack. I was going to run the winny the last 6 weeks of my cycle at 50mg ED...but what do you think about me running it for the entire 10 weeks at 50mg ED (inject 1 day, drink the next), or maybe 25mg ED for 10 weeks. I know my joints will be fucked, but I can handle it :eek: . What do you think. I am going to be running 600mg of EQ/week and a small amount of test...around 330mg/week. I wanted to thow something else in there, like maybe some masteron or var. Today I was thinking about maybe adding some Tren Enanthate. What do you think? Thanks for the reply by the way.

peace,

Glock19
 
IMO, i think 10 weeks is too long to run winny, it should be done at an absoltue maximum of 8 weeks, maybe less due to the fact that it is 17aa and hard on the liver
 
spound said:
IMO, i think 10 weeks is too long to run winny, it should be done at an absoltue maximum of 8 weeks, maybe less due to the fact that it is 17aa and hard on the liver

Yeah, I have been thinking about it, and I am just going to keep it at 50mg ed for weeks (7-12). I am thinking about incorporating masteron at 100mg eod along with the 600mg EQ and test. Should make for a pretty good cutter.
 
Glock19 said:
Good points you made there bro. BTW...I don't want to look like the douche bag you saw the other day ;) . I doubt I could afford HGH anyway, plus it kind of scares me a little. So I'll just stick to my Test/EQ/Winny stack. I was going to run the winny the last 6 weeks of my cycle at 50mg ED...but what do you think about me running it for the entire 10 weeks at 50mg ED (inject 1 day, drink the next), or maybe 25mg ED for 10 weeks. I know my joints will be fucked, but I can handle it :eek: . What do you think. I am going to be running 600mg of EQ/week and a small amount of test...around 330mg/week. I wanted to thow something else in there, like maybe some masteron or var. Today I was thinking about maybe adding some Tren Enanthate. What do you think? Thanks for the reply by the way.

peace,

Glock19

Well, errr, i hate to say this but I like what winstrol does when you keep your calories high (it is highly anabolic) but as you mentioned, it is hard on tendons. I believe that if you are going to run winstrol, you should administer it via IM injection, not drink it as the bioavailability is higher. I think if you train heavy with winstrol for that long, you'll have problems. If you are the kind of guy that can go to the gym and train with 70-80% loads and grow from it, then perhaps you can run it that long but its not something that I would say "yeah, go do it". Mind you, there is a concern on liver enzymes though I'd wager that your average college kid does far more harm to his liver drinking a 12 pack a few nights a week....but, again, its your health and if you make the decision to try it, you should do so with caution. I personally will not use winstrol unless I have a really good reason to and since I cancelled my plans to compete this year, there is no reason whatsoever.

600mg of eq/wk is rather high. I cant figure out the difference between 400 and 500mg per week and taking a gram is out of the question since your red blood cell count would blow the roof off a stadium so I dont know what to really tell you in that regard. I've used 600mg before but it didnt seem much different than 500 and since a bottle of ultragan is 10mls at 100mg/ml, I figured I'd just stick with a bottle every 2 weeks. Well, it also didnt seem different than 400mg so I cut back down. As I said, eq is week, I pick up more weight and better results by running 300mg deca and 300mg eq. Deca seems to promote a little extra water retention and seems to be more potent from a bulking perspective so that is what I have standardized on. With respect to test, I dunno, I dont use 1000 and 1500mg/wk anymore. Havent in a long time. During last year, I was using 300- 500mg of karachi. 500mg was the 'heavy' period of my cycle and 300 was where I felt most comfortable. I believe it is more in the food and training than gear when you get to a certain point. IE, the gear has to be there, its a prerequisite, but as long as you are maintaining a positive nitrogen balance and warding off cortisol - which steroids do in relatively modest dosages - growth is then a function of nutrition and your training. You can only grow at a certain rate, you can only get so much out of a training session, so you administer the bean to make sure your hormonal balance favors adding muscle, you put enough food in your stomach for energy and protein syn, and then you apply resistance training as the stimulus. The body does the rest. I believe that training more frequently with gear is a key component and that is what steroids do - they allow you to recover faster. If you train as frequently on as you did off, you're not really accelerating the rate of gains, you are simply hedging againt cortisol attacks and poor nutrition.

Anavar seems to kick in some nice strength and you gain a little density but thats about all I get out of it.

I've never used masteron so I cant comment.

I've used tren acetate before and it is a great hardness drug - seems to make your muscles like cables and slab-like....but I've never noticed the 'incredible synergy' with test and tren than others have talked at length about. When it was called finaject during my first life as an avid bodybuilder punk kid back in the late 80's, the old timers told me it was a precontest drug. Well, after using it and seeing the results, it kinda seemed to me that that was a good purpose for it. The powerlifter guys love it for strength but I've never ate 10K cals a day and trained for strength like that so I cant comment first hand.

But I think you've overlooked something. The best 3 chemical combination for putting on weight has been dianabol, deca, and test....its something that people have used for the seventeen years that I have been privy to. If you can find the akirins that taste like sugar and come in a really piss-poor looking plastic bag (of 1000), those worked really well for me in december. I dont know too much about all the new gear that is out there so perhaps there are other really good solutions. IPs have worked for me in the past and of course pink thais if they came from our special friend in thailand.

Keep it simple and you'll be alright....as long as you eat like a rhino :)
 
Glock19 said:
Yeah, I have been thinking about it, and I am just going to keep it at 50mg ed for weeks (7-12). I am thinking about incorporating masteron at 100mg eod along with the 600mg EQ and test. Should make for a pretty good cutter.

Why do you want to cut, you said you are plateaued. Get big and cut later. Build for 3/4 of the year, get real lean (if you have to) for 1/4 of the year. I'm not saying become a porker while building, but 10-12% is not out of line at all....hell, at that level, you'll have 95% of the population beat.
 
Hogg said:
Why do you want to cut, you said you are plateaued. Get big and cut later. Build for 3/4 of the year, get real lean (if you have to) for 1/4 of the year. I'm not saying become a porker while building, but 10-12% is not out of line at all....hell, at that level, you'll have 95% of the population beat.

I may have have jumped the gun by saying I have plateaued...prob. haven't. My last cycle...almost 2 years ago was 30mg dbol ed (1-5), started at 500mg Cyp and ended up going to 750mg and up to 1g for the last few weeks. I also was taking 300mg deca and finished w/ IP winny tabs (50mg). I really didn't like the way I looked in the end. I was way too bloated and everyone and their brother knew what was going on.

I want to keep this cycle a little more subtle. I am not trying to put on a shit load of weight...15lbs, is what I am looking for. But, I want to try some new stuff. I am interested in the little amount of test I explained (I will not go any higher than that) and I def. want to try some EQ. I have also heard that there is not much of a difference bet. 400mg and 600mg, but, I figured it couldn't hurt to up it by 200mg. I am def. going to take the Zambons (I love those fucking things) 50mg ed (7-12). I know that you don't get the same effect by drinking it, but 42 shots in 42 days of winny will make me a human pin cushion...unless I site inject which I may do. But as a 4th steroid, I would also like to either try some Masteron (only heard great things about it) or some Var. Which 4 would you use out of those...oh yeah, maybe some tren enan. And, how would you cycle them. What do you think about this:

300mg Test/wk (1-10)
600mg EQ/wk (1-10)
100mg masteron eod (1-10)
50mg Winny ED (7-12)
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off (after I am done w/ the winny)

What would you suggest out of these prods (dosage wise) I should use. I have Clomid and Arimidex...so no worries there. Feel free to change the doses I have and even the juice I have here if you think you have a better idea. Thanks for the help again/
 
Hogg, I love your posts!

And the restraint you have shown when someone asked if GH would increase his height is unbelievable. You must be getting some good loving! :D

Have a great weekend my friend!
MaxRep
 
MaxRep said:
Hogg, I love your posts!

And the restraint you have shown when someone asked if GH would increase his height is unbelievable. You must be getting some good loving! :D

Have a great weekend my friend!
MaxRep

:D ...I was pretty sure it didn't, but someone told me that in your earlier years that it could possibly give you an extra inch...something like that. I heard this quite some time ago, and never really asked anyone about it.

Can it effect height say while you are still growing though...like between the ages of 16-18? I know it would not be safe for someone to take any sort of AAS or GH at that age, but in a hypothetical situation, would it do anything?

BTW...just so you don't think I am some youngster...I am 25 yrs old, which, I guess is still young in the realm of things. I am glad I could amuse you MaxRep...lol.
 
Glock19 said:
BTW...just so you don't think I am some youngster...I am 25 yrs old, which, I guess is still young in the realm of things. I am glad I could amuse you MaxRep...lol.

Just as I thought, still wet behind the ears. :)

The epiphysis is the end of your long bones which is initially separated from the main bone by a layer of cartilage. By the time puberty ends, that cartilage ossifies so the parts become fused. Which obviously means, no more growing. If GH were to be taken prior, some additional height could possibly be realized.

Taken after puberty, the only thing that grows from additional GH are your ears. At least that's what Pro Bodybuilder Jim Quinn told me. :rolleyes: Seriously, we were having lunch one day and he told me his ears got bigger from GH. Other than that, he didn't see much benefit from it. He loved Test Suspension though. Since he carried 285 pounds at 7% BF - 5'11", in the off season, what could I do but agree? :)

Something of interest to any fathers on this board who have a short child, is that estrogen is believed to be primarily what causes the epiphysis to close. Stop the estrogen and there's no closure and the growth period is expanded.

And I have recently come across a study which showed the aromatase inhibitor Letrozole, which reduces circulating estrogen, does indeed allow for additional height in short kids.
To the tune of an additional 5cm (about 2 inches) over their predicted height. Not bad, no GH shots, just, hey kid, take one of these tabs everyday with your vitamins.
Of course it's not so simple, I'm just pointing this out for anyone who wants to explore it further.

MaxRep
 

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