HGH + Test Cycle

[biddnez]

Hello,
I'm in my mid 38, 6'1 and 200 lbs. I've been active most of my life and usually work out to keep a low body fat physique, the most I've tried are over the counter supplements (creative, protein, energy boosters) and always wanted to try something more but never found someone trusting enough to acquire it, after all we only get 1 body and have to be careful what you put in it. In the past month I've done some intense research both on the gear that's out there and where to get it, seems like HGH+Test P is the way to go to reach my goal of 220 lbs, that being said to someone new to the game of steroids everything I've seen on websites like napsgear.org is a bit overwhelming and hard to trust because I've never bought in person never mind online where you can't really do anything if you get screwed, regardless I wouldn't know if its real or fake due to never trying it before, all I have is the internet to compare pictures and what not. Thankfully this forum have plenty of information that I've absorbed to prepare myself for the journey ahead!
I'm sure you get a million post similar to mine, but as someone who is starting I would really appreciate if you guys can point me in the right direction on where to get real stuff, I don't mind spending money on Real Pharm HGH brands because I want the best for my body.
I'm sure you want to protect your sources but please understand us newbies are just trying NOT to get ripped off, and what may seem simple to you it means the world to us.
If it means anything I would prefer buying from someone local (i'm the tri-state area).

Thanks

 

[dper726]

Hey buddy first and foremost welcome to the dark side.

Before going any further I would suggest not to do local business with anyone you meet on the internet much less even much less for something that is illegal in this country. It's too easy of a bust, but that decision is for you to make. There are good sources here, I'm on other boards too and censorship sucks, you can post nothing about anything that impacts the boards finances. Therefore many never get exposed. I'll be the first to tell you I run astro stuff as of late and it's good to go. But don't ever underestimate me, because I'm more than willing to kick him in the nuts if I find my gear to be anything less then what I expected. For me or my friends. In fact in not afraid to say I'll be using a different lab in the meantime as he seems extremely busy and limited as of late. But there is no disappointment in the quality of product he has delivered to date, not his behavior, the guy is outstanding in the tone he communicates with.

Anyways, hgh is something rather done for wellness. Do not expect to run it and expect results in a week or two. Kudos to you for willing to spend money on pharm, I would do the same without a doubt if I could afford such. Anabolic and growth is a different ball game. You need to know specifically what you want to get out of usage with both together. I wouldn't run prop considering you are new to all this. And much more if you are in it for trt purposes I would certainly not run prop. Although it can be done. I believe pharm growth could be attained by astro at the moment, it's also attainable locally if you look and ask around. But be careful because it can be.

What exactly are your goals

 

[biddnez]

I want to reach 220 lbs, hopefully 3 months on hgh will help towards that goal. What should I stack with HGH if you say Test P is no bueno? The reason why i mentioned HGH+TEST P is because most forums will say is a good combo.

PS- thanks for making me feel welcome, took me a month of reading this forums to grow a pair and make a post lol... wanted to educate myself a bit more before asking questions.

 

[dper726]

I want to reach 220 lbs, hopefully 3 months on hgh will help towards that goal. What should I stack with HGH if you say Test P is no bueno? The reason why i mentioned HGH+TEST P is because most forums will say is a good combo.



PS- thanks for making me feel welcome, took me a month of reading this forums to grow a pair and make a post lol... wanted to educate myself a bit more before asking questions.

You will gain weight undoubtedly from steroid use alone. It all depends more on your diet and training. And 20lb is a lot to make in one cycle. At your weight already I would say don't expect 20lb of lean mass. I've gained 5-6lb lean in 2 1/2 months. I do weight 237lb at 5'11".

Test is test, no matter what you use. They just can be used as different protocols for injection. Educate yourself on the different esthers for example test prop, sust, cyp, enenthate ect. Educate yourself on estrogen. Pct is also a concern if you plan to get off. But I haven't had that answered from you if you plan to stay on with trt doses or simply cycle on and off.

Hgh needs to be used long term. I just began three weeks ago at the moment and I'm seeing less bf in abdomen region. If it even had anything to do with the hgh. Many will say no some might correlate both together. Hgh is a long term treatment in my opinion from the research I've gathered. I wouldn't get on hgh for three months to get off. Most will tell you atleast 6 months straight. And from the folks I know personally using it, they say it's all about being consistent with it's use. It other words, straight usage without stopping.

If you'll like shoot me pms and I'll answer as I go. But I would recommend you continue reading and educate yourself. I've done things blindly in the past and results are poor. The moment I fully grasp how something functions results are remarkable.

 

[biddnez]

I see what you mean, the reason I say 3 months is because I wouldn't buy 6 months worth of HGH as first time user from someone online if you know what I mean, so I figured test the waters for 3 months then go from there. What should I do besides HGH to try reach 20lb goal in 3 months, have in mind I've never done any steroids before.
Also do I get in touch with astro by PM on this forum or does he have an e-mail

 

[flenser]

I see what you mean, the reason I say 3 months is because I wouldn't buy 6 months worth of HGH as first time user from someone online if you know what I mean, so I figured test the waters for 3 months then go from there. What should I do besides HGH to try reach 20lb goal in 3 months, have in mind I've never done any steroids before.
Also do I get in touch with astro by PM on this forum or does he have an e-mail

You should probably stay away from HGH until you learn a little more. If you're not planning a career around your physique and don't have specific problems HGH can help resolve, it is likely going to be a waste of time and money.

Stick with test only on your fist cycle, so you have a base line to measure the usefulness of other more expensive stuff.

Also, I may agree with dper on who's GTG, but if you just take his word for it, you are setting yourself up to be scammed. If not now, then in the future. You need a more paranoid outlook and longer term view than just three months. Do you expect to stop using aas after three months?

 

[biddnez]

Oh trust me I'm paranoid which is why I'm here asking for advice to get a better feel for the market out there, in the past month I been tempted many times to pull the trigger on some websites but seemed fishy most of the time.

I've read so many good things about hgh i wouldn't mind taking it taking it for longer than 3 months, as i said what better investment than on your own body. I've looked the same/weighted around 200lbs for the past 10 years and I'm not getting any younger. At this point in my life I want to feel and look better/younger, so yea I don't expect to stop using it after 3 months my main roadblock here is making sure I get legit gear but I can only do that by trying it out and my body telling me what works.

 

[dper726]

Flenser makes valid points about the things that interest you. I think you need a better outlook on what you want to get out if hgh. Again because it's not cheap/legit to come across and because it's for rather a long term solution. Being either for body composition changes or health concerns.

 

[flenser]

Three months and 20 lbs seem like arbitrary numbers to me. I hope you didn't make a bet...

If you've been 200lbs for 10 years while working out, natty or not, you're doing something not conducive to gaining muscle. One or both of your diet and lifting program need work. If you don't fix that first, as soon as you come off the aas you will start to lose your gains.

 

[biddnez]

I mainly want the HGH to lower my body fat %. As I hit the gym harder then I would consider getting other stuff to see bigger gains in shorter a amount of time. About a month ago I started working out 3-4 times a week with a diet low on carbs and only drinking 1 day a week lol (not as easy as I though), It didn't seem logical to start stacking few things when I'm not even at my fullest without it. I set that goal of 20lbs in 3 months to have a finish line, but if i get 10-15 lb I'd more than happy.

To be honest I haven't done much research on anything else but HGH+Test simply because is what most people talk about as a start point and safest to use. At this point I'm just trying to get solid sources to get a taste for the real stuff, seems to be the biggest issue out there now where even those who use to get good stuff now would get u some good and some bad.

 

[illuminatty]

I would go on a 12 week test e cycle at 400-500mg a week.

The reason why many suggest test only cycle is to see how your body would react. If you stack it on your first go around and something goes wrong, you won't know which compound did what.

1st sample cycle would look like

Test e 500mg week 1-12
Aromasin 12.5mg eod week 2-12

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Pct will start 3 weeks after your last injection.

20lbs will be difficult as some of your gains will be water and fat.

 

[dper726]

Using hgh as solely a fat burner is an expensive option as there are cheaper alternatives out there that will probably yield faster results towards that goal. I would start with test aswell. Get yourself familiar with the experience. Learn also to pct as it could be very important on your health going forward.

 

[tipdog]

I would definitely consider those suggestions given to you already. Running one compound allows you to see what sides you get whether good or bad. If the type of test you choose suits you then go forward with the hgh and test. I think you would be pleasantly surprised in a test only cycle. My trt dose isn't even correct yet, but I'm still getting benefits from it.

 

[azazul]

Unless you have money to piss away, I wouldn't bother with GH
It is kind of oversold as this compound that melts fat off.

It does not do that. I thought the same thing because its perpetuated everywhere on the internet.

GH is used by body builders at a body builders dosage to literally grow, but they use some very heavy doses.
The only sure and safe way to lose the fat is through diet and cardio.

Here is a strategy that burned a ton of fat for me.
Do a test only cycle, throw in some deca if you want since your old like me and it will help those old joints
Then hit it really hard at the gym and with your diet, you should put on like 10lbs of muscle, what that extra muscle will do is make your body more efficient at burning fat and using calories. If you can keep your calories in check your body will do the rest.
Do a moderate pace 30 min eod on the stair climber

 

[readyset]

Unless you have money to piss away, I wouldn't bother with GH
It is kind of oversold as this compound that melts fat off.

It does not do that. I thought the same thing because its perpetuated everywhere on the internet.

GH is used by body builders at a body builders dosage to literally grow, but they use some very heavy doses.
The only sure and safe way to lose the fat is through diet and cardio.

Here is a strategy that burned a ton of fat for me.
Do a test only cycle, throw in some deca if you want since your old like me and it will help those old joints
Then hit it really hard at the gym and with your diet, you should put on like 10lbs of muscle, what that extra muscle will do is make your body more efficient at burning fat and using calories. If you can keep your calories in check your body will do the rest.
Do a moderate pace 30 min eod on the stair climber

truth. cant beat the basics - muscles burn fat. over simplified. but thats the gist.

 

[biddnez]

Thanks for the advice guys! I'm gonna go with Test E first then start on Deca and low dose long term HGH .
Few questions, bear with me as this is first time I self administer any injections or run any cycles.
How long should I do Test E to complete 1 cycle?
How much should I take per week, is it only once a week (test e) and where to administer?
Do I stop Test E after that first cycle or stack it with Deca+HGH?
For HGH, I mix 1ml anti bac water for every 10 iu correct? and .8 for 8 IU vials or does the math change?
For deca do I administer it every day? How much should I start with? and what is condisered a cycle?
I've read you need to get post steroid usage stuff to go back to normal body productions levels, if so what do I need to get?
I found this website to buy needles since where I live can't buy over the counter, I'm told for HGH buy insulin pins. What other needles/supplies do I need to buy?


Thanks all for pointing me in the right direction and avoid getting ripped off and junk gear, I'll keep you guys posted on results.

 

[readyset]

Thanks for the advice guys! I'm gonna go with Test E first then start on Deca and low dose long term HGH .
Few questions, bear with me as this is first time I self administer any injections or run any cycles.
How long should I do Test E to complete 1 cycle?
How much should I take per week, is it only once a week (test e) and where to administer?
Do I stop Test E after that first cycle or stack it with Deca+HGH?
For HGH, I mix 1ml anti bac water for every 10 iu correct? and .8 for 8 IU vials or does the math change?
For deca do I administer it every day? How much should I start with? and what is condisered a cycle?
I've read you need to get post steroid usage stuff to go back to normal body productions levels, if so what do I need to get?
I found this website to buy needles since where I live can't buy over the counter, I'm told for HGH buy insulin pins. What other needles/supplies do I need to buy?


Thanks all for pointing me in the right direction and avoid getting ripped off and junk gear, I'll keep you guys posted on results.

basic test e "cycle" is 500mg/week for 10-12 weeks + pct, generally.
I wouldnt take deca without test. thats me though.
HGH works great with test and other compounds, works good by itself too.

If i were you I would just run Test this time around, test + deca next time, test + deca + gh the next time. That's me. That way I kno wwhats doing what and how i respond.

If not - test 500mg week/ deca 4-500mg week should do you fine. GH dose is up to you - i run as much as i can afford - 2-4 iu/day is good for recovery, "Fat loss" etc..

as for mixing your gh. it depends on your vial and how much you want to dose.
if you have a 10iu vial, 1ml of bac water will equal 1 iu for each "tick" (10iu mark) on the insulin syringe. With 8ius vials I just used 1ml of water and and took 4iu a day. your math seems right though.

you administered your oils by drawing them with one needle out of the vial, unscrewing and putting on a new needle, and sticking it in your ass, delt, quad, whatever muscle you want. I wouldnt put more than 1/2 ml in your delts. up to 3 in your ass, and 2 in your quad. That's my preference though. If you get bigger you can fit more oil, generally.

PCT can be clomid, novladex, hcg, etc - theres different protocols. You gotta read up on what you want. I dont do "pct" i take HCG during my cycle, and after my cycle for a few weeks.

that website is fine for needles. I use medicalsupplyliquidators and getpinz.

You want 18-20gauge needles for drawing, any length. 22-23 gauge 1-1.5inch needles for injecting (depending on spot, could be shorter) and 3-5ml syringes

you want 1/2inch 1cc insulin syringees for your hgh, make sure you get enough to mix and enough to inject. you go through them like water.

I strongly advocate only test or maybe test +gh for your first cycle.

I also suggest you keep on reading and reading and reading. As you get further into this lifestyle youll see theres literally hundreds of thousands of opinions and variations. You need to find what works for you.

welcome to the darkside. good luck.

 

[azazul]

You wont go wrong with that advice

 

[biddnez]

Thanks for all your advice! I'm gonna go with test + deca + Hgh from astro, ill post results and pics down the road.

 

[biddnez]

Updates!

On my 5th week I'm at 223 lbs, doing 5-6 meals a day around 180-200 grams of protein, no carbs after 5pm, hitting the gym hard but don't see the super increase in strength i was expecting. I'm on astros Genotropin/blacktops, started at 1.5 IU/day (genotropins pharm grade) now at 4.5 IU/day (black tops generics) and not feeling the side effects (stacking with astro Test e as well 500m /week which i don't feel the known side effects) mind you this is my first time so i wouldn't really know what side effects or changes i'm looking for besides fat loss and strength gain. I'm very bloated if that's a side effect then I guess is working but not lifting anything impressive or better than I have at my best natural in the past.